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fnord_too
10-12-2005, 06:22 PM
55's mainly 8 tabling in sets
1220 tournes
1 156 12.79%
2 156 12.79%
3 142 11.64%
4 155 12.7%
5 142 11.64%
6 154 12.62%
7 122 10%
8 89 7.3%
9 55 4.51%
10 49 4.02%

ROI 14.16
BB/Hand by level (starting at 15/30, pt odditiy, or by 15/30 is that the 10/15 blinds, ala limit? - pretty sure it is now that I see 600/1200)
15/30 +0.04 +32.5K
30/60 +0.02 +38.5K
50/100 +0.01 +30K
100/200 +0.00 +22K
<font color="red"> 150/300 -0.00 -20K</font>
200/400 +0.01 +51K
300/600 +0.01 +29K
400/800 +0.01 +60K
<font color="red"> 500/1000 -0.01 -25K</font>
600/1200 +0.02 +66K

I hate the 50/50 HU, but I think that has improved over the last month.

Anything jump out as blatently bad. I don't like the two neg BB/100 levels, I probably need to pay close attention to those. Any other stats that are important? pfr, vpip by level maybe?

ace_in_the_hole
10-12-2005, 06:50 PM
I love you.

pooh74
10-12-2005, 07:17 PM
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55's mainly 8 tabling in sets
1220 tournes
1 156 12.79%
2 156 12.79%
3 142 11.64%
4 155 12.7%
5 142 11.64%
6 154 12.62%
7 122 10%
8 89 7.3%
9 55 4.51%
10 49 4.02%

ROI 14.16
BB/Hand by level (starting at 15/30, pt odditiy, or by 15/30 is that the 10/15 blinds, ala limit? - pretty sure it is now that I see 600/1200)
15/30 +0.04 +32.5K
30/60 +0.02 +38.5K
50/100 +0.01 +30K
100/200 +0.00 +22K
<font color="red"> 150/300 -0.00 -20K</font>
200/400 +0.01 +51K
300/600 +0.01 +29K
400/800 +0.01 +60K
<font color="red"> 500/1000 -0.01 -25K</font>
600/1200 +0.02 +66K

I hate the 50/50 HU, but I think that has improved over the last month.

Anything jump out as blatently bad. I don't like the two neg BB/100 levels, I probably need to pay close attention to those. Any other stats that are important? pfr, vpip by level maybe?

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I just posted a question about this actually. I have two blind levels in the red and they are similar to yours (PS 50/100 and 300/600). Of course I have very limited sample at this point (200) but I wonder if its noise or not.

Good #s though, keep it up.

10-12-2005, 07:22 PM
Looks like you have too many seconds, but you know that. Possible you're not playing aggressively enough 3-handed? Of course, heads up play could be it too.

Deuce2High
10-12-2005, 07:54 PM
Great stats. I am especially impressed with your level 1 and 2 BB/100.

You are not being agressive enough when there are 4-5 players and the blinds are getting big. You also need to play the bubble just a tad more agressively. Don't let yourself get ITM with a low chipstack that much, if you can control it. Also, try to play a little more agressive 3-handed.

I know you don't have a lot of games but these stats are very promising.

suited_ace
10-12-2005, 08:14 PM
How are your stats playing from the blinds until level 4?

Edit: very nice stats, btw.

johnnybeef
10-12-2005, 08:23 PM
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1220 tournes

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ROI 14.16

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I'd say you are doing just fine

KingMedicine
10-12-2005, 09:02 PM
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1220 tournes

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ROI 14.16

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I'd say you are doing just fine

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how many tables do you play at a time and is that in sets or continuous?

Isura
10-12-2005, 09:07 PM
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1220 tournes

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ROI 14.16

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I'd say you are doing just fine

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how many tables do you play at a time and is that in sets or continuous?

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You should really read the first line of the post.

pooh74
10-12-2005, 09:10 PM
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1220 tournes

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ROI 14.16

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I'd say you are doing just fine

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ferb
10-12-2005, 09:40 PM
What stands out to me is that you made a nice chunk of loot.

fnord_too
10-12-2005, 09:58 PM
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Great stats. I am especially impressed with your level 1 and 2 BB/100.

You are not being agressive enough when there are 4-5 players and the blinds are getting big. You also need to play the bubble just a tad more agressively. Don't let yourself get ITM with a low chipstack that much, if you can control it. Also, try to play a little more agressive 3-handed.

I know you don't have a lot of games but these stats are very promising.

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Yeah, I have been trying to ramp up my aggression in these spots, I have this tendancy to coast through a level or two then jump up in aggression. I'm not sure if that is because I hit a spot where I am deep in several tournies and have some trouble keeping up with all the action or if I get in a lot of 8-12BB spots where I usually wait for a bigger hand or for my stack to get a little shorter.

I don't think I fire enough naked pushes 3 handed.

Great comments, thanks.

fnord_too
10-12-2005, 09:59 PM
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How are your stats playing from the blinds until level 4?



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I'll look tonight or tomorrow and report back.

fnord_too
10-13-2005, 09:17 AM
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How are your stats playing from the blinds until level 4?



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I'll look tonight or tomorrow and report back.

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Lev SB BB
15/30 -.14 -.12
30/60 -.06 -.10
50/100 -.02 -.09
100/200 -.08 0.10

For ref I have about 1.5Khands in each blind in level 4, and these are ptbb.

Moonsugar
10-13-2005, 09:39 AM
I have played a fair amount of tournies with you and you seem like a good player. These stats would seem to confirm that.

The thing that jumps out at me is the win rate you have in level 1 is way way below mine. I am on a new computer and don't have my PT stats but I know that my level 1 win rate is a lot higher than what yours is. If these were my stats I would investigate my strategy in level 1. There are usually 1 or 2 guys just trying their hardest to give away chips, get some.

Looks like you also need to push more when BB is 500. Or call more. Or maybe call less. Hard to say with only this info.

Congrats on a nice run, 15% is nothing to sneeze at.

Exitonly
10-13-2005, 09:47 AM
I know pretty close to 0 when it comes to analyzing this stuff, but it looks like you're finishing 4th a bit much.. i'd think the finishes should slope downward more from 1-4. And obviously getting it to do so would increase ROI considerably.

Moonsugar
10-13-2005, 10:04 AM
If you could rearrange the finishes where some 4ths were distributed to 1, 2 &amp; 3 it would undoubtedly be a good thing. Unfortunately, one needs to bust out on the bubble a fair amount in his pursuit to get enough chips to have a serious chance to make 1st.

This distribution is good. Newt Buggs I think had one that I liked more, more 4ths but more 1sts too, if I remember correctly.

10-13-2005, 10:24 AM
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The thing that jumps out at me is the win rate you have in level 1 is way way below mine. I am on a new computer and don't have my PT stats but I know that my level 1 win rate is a lot higher than what yours is. If these were my stats I would investigate my strategy in level 1. There are usually 1 or 2 guys just trying their hardest to give away chips, get some.

[/ QUOTE ]I'm struggling with this. The advice in this forum is generally to be very conservatively in the early levels which doesn't leave one well placed to take advantage of the guys who are trying to give their chips away.

A while back, on the first hand of a SNG there were two decent sized raises in front of me, I held KK and pushed. The one call I got was from someone with K6o. Everybody has seen early all-in confrontations that left you shaking your head: "How could he call, I had those hands beat?" But, if you loosen your calling requirements, you'll inevitably run into a great hand, or an outdraw, and be first out.

I guess the question is: how many early double ups do you need to compensate for the early exit? And, for those playig lots of tables: can you afford to spend the time on these matters when you can get a decent ROI just by surviving to the later levels?

(Yes, I realize that it's not just the early all-ins, but similar questions apply to the times when you might be risking 1/3-1/2 your stack in the very early going.)

johnnybeef
10-13-2005, 11:14 AM
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I know pretty close to 0 when it comes to analyzing this stuff, but it looks like you're finishing 4th a bit much.. i'd think the finishes should slope downward more from 1-4. And obviously getting it to do so would increase ROI considerably.

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strassa has a little bit about this on his web sight. to summarize, you want your highest distribution to be 1st places. the way this is done is by bubble aggression for the most part. placing 4th is a byproduct of bubble aggression and as such should be your second highest finish distribution.

pooh74
10-13-2005, 11:39 AM
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I know pretty close to 0 when it comes to analyzing this stuff, but it looks like you're finishing 4th a bit much.. i'd think the finishes should slope downward more from 1-4. And obviously getting it to do so would increase ROI considerably.

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strassa has a little bit about this on his web sight. to summarize, you want your highest distribution to be 1st places. the way this is done is by bubble aggression for the most part. placing 4th is a byproduct of bubble aggression and as such should be your second highest finish distribution.

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I concur!

I would think an optimal ratio would something look like this:

4:3:2:3.5

Moonsugar
10-13-2005, 06:53 PM
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The thing that jumps out at me is the win rate you have in level 1 is way way below mine. I am on a new computer and don't have my PT stats but I know that my level 1 win rate is a lot higher than what yours is. If these were my stats I would investigate my strategy in level 1. There are usually 1 or 2 guys just trying their hardest to give away chips, get some.

[/ QUOTE ]I'm struggling with this. The advice in this forum is generally to be very conservatively in the early levels which doesn't leave one well placed to take advantage of the guys who are trying to give their chips away.

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I am giving advice to a guy who already is good and is looking for the next level, hence my advice to loosen up/play differently in the level 1.

The advice that should be given to most players is tighten up early.

10-13-2005, 11:18 PM
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The thing that jumps out at me is the win rate you have in level 1 is way way below mine. I am on a new computer and don't have my PT stats but I know that my level 1 win rate is a lot higher than what yours is. If these were my stats I would investigate my strategy in level 1. There are usually 1 or 2 guys just trying their hardest to give away chips, get some.

[/ QUOTE ]I'm struggling with this. The advice in this forum is generally to be very conservatively in the early levels which doesn't leave one well placed to take advantage of the guys who are trying to give their chips away.

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I am giving advice to a guy who already is good and is looking for the next level, hence my advice to loosen up/play differently in the level 1.

The advice that should be given to most players is tighten up early.

[/ QUOTE ]I didn't mean that I doubted your advice, but rather that I am struggling with finding the right balance between loosening up enough to take advantage and playing conservatively enough to survive to the money.