The official party poker statement [Archive] - Two Plus Two Older Archives

10-12-2005, 03:52 PM

"PartyPoker.com does not permit affiliates to promote rakeback (or any other discount schemes) to players. There are rumours that we are offering / endorsing rake back to affiliates. These are false claims and we are taking action against anyone who claims to have "special deals" with us.

If you are in touch with 'high-volume' players seeking incentives, you may let them know that there are multiple special offers for players running on the site right now. Please request your players to log in to their PartyPoker.com accounts and see what offer(s) are available to them. (If they have not received anything yet, they may write to bonuses@partypoker.com).

We now have a team that services the needs of high volume players. Please let us know if you are in touch with any such players and I will be happy to introduce them to this team.

We would love to work with you to get new players and increased revenues on PartyPoker.com."

gila

10-12-2005, 03:58 PM

Wow, impressive. Oh yea, Nothing on my account as I sign in. Hell, maybe they don't want my $10,000 a month in rake.

jek187

10-12-2005, 03:59 PM

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"PartyPoker.com does not permit affiliates to promote rakeback (or any other discount schemes) to players. There are rumours that we are offering / endorsing rake back to affiliates. These are false claims and we are taking action against anyone who claims to have "special deals" with us.

If you are in touch with 'high-volume' players seeking incentives, you may let them know that there are multiple special offers for players running on the site right now. Please request your players to log in to their PartyPoker.com accounts and see what offer(s) are available to them. (If they have not received anything yet, they may write to bonuses@partypoker.com).

We now have a team that services the needs of high volume players. Please let us know if you are in touch with any such players and I will be happy to introduce them to this team.

We would love to work with you to get new players and increased revenues on PartyPoker.com."

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Well, that was anti-climatic.

elmo

10-12-2005, 04:02 PM

Aren't we still just left with the "rakeback (other discount schemes)" terminology issue?

MaxPower

10-12-2005, 04:03 PM

I would say you were making it up, but that sounds exactly like the kind of statement that Party would make.

MaxPower

10-12-2005, 04:04 PM

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Aren't we still just left with the rakeback terminology issue?

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I don't want rakeback anymore. I'm going to see if I can get an "Action Bonus"

JRussell

10-12-2005, 04:06 PM

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I would say you were making it up, but that sounds exactly like the kind of statement that Party would make.

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It is real. This is the line you get from the affiliate support department if you email asking about rake back.

SackUp

10-12-2005, 04:13 PM

So basically their chance has not really changed at all. No suprise. The real question is whether they will still support individual trackers which will allow affilates to make rakeback payments.

MILFChaser

10-12-2005, 04:14 PM

Did anyone honestly expect something different than this?? Party is NOT going to publicly endorse any type of rakeback, period. It is up to each individual player to go with the affiliate they feel the most comfortable with.

Just like poker you have to figure out your EV. If you go with some guy with a website offering 29%, the reward is high but so is the risk because he is going to be #1 on Party's hit list.

I admit I am biased on this issue but I stand by what I have said all along. The more public your affiliate is, the bigger your risk in the long term. Especially if he has betrayed party in the past.

KaBoom

10-12-2005, 04:28 PM

If affiliates still have individual trackers and offer rakeback and party is letting people open a second account with no hassle (just making you choose which one to keep), then this is how they solved the problem! Investers are happy cause rakeback is officially forbidden with a nice public statement but most probably party doesn't give a damn about rakeback and is happy to welcome everyone back with a second account.

Inthacup

10-12-2005, 04:32 PM

I received the same statement

Cup

flair1239

10-12-2005, 04:34 PM

Soooo... basically the same situation as 6-months ago?

It is going to happen it just depends on if the enforce their own policies or not?

This is almost meaningless.

bobbyi

10-12-2005, 04:36 PM

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If affiliates still have individual trackers and offer rakeback and party is letting people open a second account with no hassle (just making you choose which one to keep), then this is how they solved the problem!

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Can someone verify whether the individual trackers and the second account part are really happening? People had said they were, but that was in conjunction with their "officially Party endorsed rakeback" which apparently doesn't exist, so now I don't feel confident that I understand whether individual trackers are back and whether it is possible to move to a new affiliate easily.

SomethingClever

10-12-2005, 04:48 PM

So, we're supposed to email them individually and say, "Hey, I will play a lot of hands on your site if you give me a big bonus."

To which they will reply:

"Dear Comcast. You have a real money account and are therefore eligible for all of our exciting promotions and specials. Good luck at the tables!

Punjab
Customer Care Specialist

greg nice

10-12-2005, 04:49 PM

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I received the same statement

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so basically all of the affiliates really had no reason to lead everyone on that "a deal is in the works".

if the trackers work, then use at your own risk. same scenario as 6 months ago.

TheHammer24

10-12-2005, 04:51 PM

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So, we're supposed to email them individually and say, "Hey, I will play a lot of hands on your site if you give me a big bonus."

To which they will reply:

"Dear Comcast. You have a real money account and are therefore eligible for all of our exciting promotions and specials. Good luck at the tables!

Punjab
Customer Care Specialist

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That's something clever

TheHammer24

10-12-2005, 04:54 PM

FYP - Fxck you party

gila

10-12-2005, 04:56 PM

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FYP - Fxck you party

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But wait, don't we have blackjack and sidebets now?

Soleo

10-12-2005, 04:57 PM

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If affiliates still have individual trackers and offer rakeback and party is letting people open a second account with no hassle (just making you choose which one to keep), then this is how they solved the problem!

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It all doesn't matter if bonuses will be of appropriate size and subtracted from MGR. Affiliates will become unnecessary because this quazi-rakeback will put major $$ from Party to players directly, like Multipoker big promotions. $$ still go to affiliate will be small enough to divide. No middle man, no competition, no second accounts. Patience and PartyPoker's happiness /images/graemlins/smile.gif But I don't think Party will make such bonuses big because then they will also get much less $$.

gila

10-12-2005, 05:00 PM

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SinCityGuy

10-12-2005, 05:00 PM

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Affiliates will become unnecessary because this quazi-rakeback will put $$ from Party to players directly, like Multipoker big promotions.

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Affiliates bring new players into the game, which is vital to the continued growth of the industry. I don't think that Party wants to rely exclusively on advertising to sign up new players.

gila

10-12-2005, 05:01 PM

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Multipoker big promotions.

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You got to be kidding!

10-12-2005, 05:02 PM

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On a sidenote: Trusted 2+2'ers, if you know a way for RB "under the table", pm me. I play about 40,000 sh hands a month. I already have an account.

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what he said

SinCityGuy

10-12-2005, 05:04 PM

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On a sidenote: Trusted 2+2'ers, if you know a way for RB "under the table", pm me. I play about 40,000 sh hands a month. I already have an account.

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what he said

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Why are you erroneously quoting me on that? Someone else made that statement.

10-12-2005, 05:10 PM

I have 3 posts cut me some slack

Sorry

gehrig

10-12-2005, 05:11 PM

gehrig

10-12-2005, 05:13 PM

also, can people expand on the risks?

i have a signup code in my email box from one of the more visible affiliates. if i sign up with them and they get shut down, what happens to me?

TheHammer24

10-12-2005, 05:14 PM

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On a sidenote: Trusted 2+2'ers, if you know a way for RB "under the table", pm me. I play about 40,000 sh hands a month. I already have an account.

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what he said

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SinCityGuy

10-12-2005, 05:14 PM

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i have a signup code in my email box from one of the more visible affiliates. if i sign up with them and they get shut down, what happens to me?

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You're hosed.

gehrig

10-12-2005, 05:17 PM

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i have a signup code in my email box from one of the more visible affiliates. if i sign up with them and they get shut down, what happens to me?

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You're hosed.

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in what way? would they keep the money in my account? if they close the account and i'm able to get my money out then i haven't lost anything

teddyFBI

10-12-2005, 05:19 PM

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i have a signup code in my email box from one of the more visible affiliates. if i sign up with them and they get shut down, what happens to me?

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You're hosed.

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in what way? would they keep the money in my account? if they close the account and i'm able to get my money out then i haven't lost anything

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True, and the affiliate will send you a conciliatory note saying "sorry, our hands are tied", while they celebrate because they then get to keep 100% of your rake. Refer to landmark case of PSO vs. everyone you know.

krimson

10-12-2005, 05:20 PM

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also, can people expand on the risks?

i have a signup code in my email box from one of the more visible affiliates. if i sign up with them and they get shut down, what happens to me?

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Nothing happens to you, you would just stop getting rakeback payments. Party has no reason to get rid of you if you're generating money for them.

SinCityGuy

10-12-2005, 05:21 PM

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in what way? would they keep the money in my account? if they close the account and i'm able to get my money out then i haven't lost anything

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Your money is most likely safe, but you obviously won't be getting any more rakeback. They'll shut down the affiliate, but they want to keep you.

Bill Poker

10-12-2005, 05:24 PM

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pipster

10-12-2005, 05:25 PM

Sounds like it is time for me to start trolling the under the table rakeback guys to find someone who will cancel my 2 month idle account and open a new one so I can get Party Rakeback.

10-12-2005, 05:29 PM

Same story

10-12-2005, 05:35 PM

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I received the same statement

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so basically all of the affiliates really had no reason to lead everyone on that "a deal is in the works".

if the trackers work, then use at your own risk. same scenario as 6 months ago.

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No that isn't the case at all. Most of them had a deal in the works and it was pulled out from under them at the last minute. My affiliate had actually gotten codes he was about to send out and 5 minutes before he was going to send them he was told not to. Two days later he got this same official statement.

JTG51

10-12-2005, 05:36 PM

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Anyone got one of these "offers" yet? I have nothing, but then I never really played much on party either 'cept for the bonus.

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I think this is better than you guys are making it out to be. I haven't played at Party in months, but I got an offer. My quick estimate is that it's worth about $20/hr, give or take a few bucks. That's pretty close to what I would have gotten with 30% rakeback.

lorinda

10-12-2005, 05:37 PM

Mine worked out between 12-18% but I'm low mileage.

Lori

JTG51

10-12-2005, 05:41 PM

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Mine worked out between 12-18% but I'm low mileage.

Lori

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I should have said this in the original post, but I think playing higher stakes makes the offer worth significantly more. My estimate is based on playing 15/30. Smaller stakes players are probalby getting a much worse deal out of this. But again, I only made a quick estimate and I don't have the information in front of me to look right now. I could easily be wrong.

lorinda

10-12-2005, 05:43 PM

I'm pretty sure you are right from very quick glances at numbers that have been thrown around.

I'm about as certain as you are (not very) but it does seem to be very specific and with an unclear formula. I don't think anything will be clear until next month's round of bonuses, but I do know I'll be making the effort to meet this month's just to see what happens.

Lori

Lmn55d

10-12-2005, 05:43 PM

did you receive the offer in email? If so, when?

lorinda

10-12-2005, 05:45 PM

Mine was a popup on October 5th.

I get the popup every login to tell me how I'm doing. (Although it is always a day behind)

Lori

JTG51

10-12-2005, 05:48 PM

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I don't think anything will be clear until next month's round of bonuses, but I do know I'll be making the effort to meet this month's just to see what happens.
Lori

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Me too, and me too.

JTG51

10-12-2005, 05:49 PM

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did you receive the offer in email? If so, when?

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It was a pop up when I logged in today. I hadn't logged in for a while before today, so I don't konw when it first showed up.

daveymck

10-12-2005, 05:57 PM

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Mine was a popup on October 5th.

I get the popup every login to tell me how I'm doing. (Although it is always a day behind)

Lori

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I got the pop up around then as well I hadnt played much on there the odd sng and mtt I assumed everyone got it.

goodguy_1

10-13-2005, 01:17 AM

I tried to send an inquiry to the email address bonuses@partypoker.com and

the email was bounced are you sure that is the correct email address? doesnt seem to be legit to me.

--just called Party correct email addy is

bonus@partypoker.com

x2ski

10-13-2005, 01:22 AM

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I tried to send an inquiry to the email address bonuses@partypoker.com and

the email was bounced are you sure that is the correct email address? doesnt seem to be legit to me.

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It was bonus@partypoker.com and don't even bother (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=3656515&page=0&view=colla psed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1)

JTG51

10-13-2005, 01:46 AM

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I think this is better than you guys are making it out to be. I haven't played at Party in months, but I got an offer. My quick estimate is that it's worth about $20/hr, give or take a few bucks. That's pretty close to what I would have gotten with 30% rakeback.

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I looked at my offer again and did some more math. It comes out to about $0.08 per hand, which at 15/30 is almost exactly the same as 30% rakeback. It doesn't cover a full month's play, but like I said above I haven't played on Party in a long time. Hopefully the offer will be for more next month.

angst

10-13-2005, 01:56 AM

I'm not sure what to make of this. Can I start playing on my old account again now, forget this whole supposedly rakeback pipedream, and instead try to get some kind of deal directly with Party Poker (as the bonuses you guys are talking about)?

BigBlind

10-13-2005, 03:13 AM

ilikeaces

10-13-2005, 03:28 AM

HesseJam

10-13-2005, 03:32 AM

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I tried to send an inquiry to the email address bonuses@partypoker.com and

the email was bounced are you sure that is the correct email address? doesnt seem to be legit to me.

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It was bonus@partypoker.com and don't even bother (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=3656515&page=0&view=colla psed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1)

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I always thaought it was bonii@partypoker.com

otter

10-13-2005, 03:44 AM

What a great idea. Ask for trusted 2+2ers to PM you...that way the ones that you can't trust won't PM you! GENIUS I TELL YA!

siccjay

10-13-2005, 07:36 AM

My affiliate still says they have a special deal with Party. I gotta talk to him on the phone in the next couple of days.

10-13-2005, 08:14 PM

I emailed the bonus dept at party, told them how many hands i was playing at eurobet and the levels and they offered me a per hand payout that was about 33% less than I was receiving from my affiliate. The quote was for a flat monthly payout based on a certain number of hands, which was far lower than I claimed to play. They said they would adjust the hands/payout based on higher play. Not sure if the % would be higher too for more play or just the flat amount. I wrote back but haven't had a response yet. I'll also try to negotiate a higher payout and see what they say.

wowacedude

10-13-2005, 08:34 PM

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I'm not sure what to make of this. Can I start playing on my old account again now, forget this whole supposedly rakeback pipedream, and instead try to get some kind of deal directly with Party Poker (as the bonuses you guys are talking about)?

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