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live 10/20 @ foxwoods. the table is very loose passive, generally 5-8 to the flop for usually one bet. villain in this hand is the only other tightish player at the table but looser than me, probably like a 30-35is VPIP player, and one of the more aggressive players at the table. I have seen him raise the flop and then bet AK unimproved all the way down. I have a very tight image, and I have been pushed out of a couple of pots by villain.
folds to villain in Hijack, who raises, folds to me in the big blind with 99 and I call.
Flop:
[4.5 SB] T83 rainbow, I check raise, villain 3bets, I call.
Turn:
[5 BB] (T83)Q
I plan on calling down, unless the river is A/K in which case I check/fold.
Thoughts?
Fat Nicky
10-12-2005, 03:03 PM
Well, your check/raise didn't seem to slow down the villain and the turn card sucks. I would just fold the turn and move onto the next hand. Looks like you're at a good table and will certainly find better spots in the future
shant
10-12-2005, 03:05 PM
3-bet preflop?
Fat Nicky
10-12-2005, 03:07 PM
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3-bet preflop?
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Do you think this is the best idea being out of position??
shant
10-12-2005, 03:09 PM
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3-bet preflop?
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Do you think this is the best idea being out of position??
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I don't know, it's what I do usually so I'm looking to see if others agree.
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i play the 10/20 game at foxwoods and im thinking you 3-bet this guy PF, representing something of strength. with one overcard on the flop your hand is looking strong, and he is correct to raise with two overs and two cards to come, something like AK, KQ, KJ, QJ etc.
given that information i am betting the flop aggressively to take control of the hand. when the Q comes off, checking gives him control and once you check you might as well toss your hand into the muck and wait for the next hand. if the river doesnt bring an A or a K im coming at him.. just hope he doesnt reveal something like 10-J, but my suggested pre-flop re-raise should slow down someone w/ 10-J.
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I seriously considered this, and if I thought he was raising lighter I would have. Another person mentioned JT, if I thought JT was in his range I definitely would have 3bet but dont think that was the case. I was thinking something like ATs+/A8+/KJ+/66+.
being OOP I think there was a good chance I would get pushed off the best hand postflop, which is why I didn't 3bet. I'm not sure that is solid reasoning though.
BigEndian
10-12-2005, 03:21 PM
From your description, it appears this seat has been bullying you around. I would probably make this a statement hand against the player. If an Ace came I wouldn't tuck my tail, I would probably raise and if he folded show him my hand. Win or lose though, I plan on letting him know that I'm not a weak seat.
PF: I 3-bet.
Flop: Since I didn't 3-bet, I simply check-call here.
Turn: Again, I'm just C/Cing since I didnt take the lead to begin with and this isn't a card I feel there's an angle on.
River: If it's an ace, I'm CRing. If it's a J I'm leading out fast. If it's anything else, I C/C.
- Jim
felix83
10-12-2005, 04:04 PM
I would only 3-bet PF if I thought there was any way he'd fold to an undercard flop. Otherwise, I'd probably call. I don't see much value in a c/r on the flop; I'd take this to be a situation where I'd c/r a safe card on the turn, and c/f a card like the one that came.
W. Deranged
10-12-2005, 04:05 PM
I know people hate pre-flop discussion but I think the need to three-bet here pre-flop is really important.
1. You are playing an aggressive player who apparently has already established the ability and desire to push you around. Calling in here and allowing him to play the pot with initiative and position is exactly what he wants you to do. This is a great situation, to use the parlance of our times, to "grow a sack."
2. With villain likely raising really light here, you may have a complete value raise here if villain does not have two overcards or has a small pair.
3. Raising here puts the onus on your opponent to make a pair. This is important. By three-betting you put it in villain's head that your hand is probably better than his and that he needs to improve to win. This may well prevent him from making aggressive bluffs and pressure bets, which is what has been hurting you against this player and which will make the hand substantially easier to play. It will be very helpful here to give off the message that you have no intent to go anywhere in this hand.
As played, the flop check-raise is nice. For metagame reasons I think there are a lot of reasons why this might be a situation to make a loose call-down.
W. Deranged
10-12-2005, 04:06 PM
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I would only 3-bet PF if I thought there was any way he'd fold to an undercard flop. Otherwise, I'd probably call. I don't see much value in a c/r on the flop; I'd take this to be a situation where I'd c/r a safe card on the turn, and c/f a card like the one that came.
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This is a very tight-weak approach to this hand and I strongly disapprove.
BigEndian
10-12-2005, 04:07 PM
You should 3-bet PF because you very likely have the best hand and you want to get value for it.
- Jim
thanks W, I think I'm convinced that a PFR is correct here.
assuming you take the line I took and the turn and river are a Q and K, you think a call down is correct?
also, did you notice the raising range that I gave in a later post? You keep reiterating that he is raising light, but I really dont think his range is that wide.
W. Deranged
10-12-2005, 04:20 PM
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thanks W, I think I'm convinced that a PFR is correct here.
assuming you take the line I took and the turn and river are a Q and K, you think a call down is correct?
also, did you notice the raising range that I gave in a later post? You keep reiterating that he is raising light, but I really dont think his range is that wide.
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Obviously against a KQT board you are pretty much screwed, it's just that I really hate having to fold at any point in this hand. At that point you probably just have to fold and then put in for a table change.
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thanks W, I think I'm convinced that a PFR is correct here.
assuming you take the line I took and the turn and river are a Q and K, you think a call down is correct?
also, did you notice the raising range that I gave in a later post? You keep reiterating that he is raising light, but I really dont think his range is that wide.
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Obviously against a KQT board you are pretty much screwed, it's just that I really hate having to fold at any point in this hand. At that point you probably just have to fold and then put in for a table change.
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ok thanks -- this is about what I figured.
if I put in for a table change I think I would need my head examined. this particular hand was by far an exception to the rule -- this table was very juicy even by FW 10/20 standards.
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