2 Pair - Slow Play or Raise

[jpb324]

Call or raise this flop? These players are generally loose passive.


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Preflop: Hero is CO with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB checks.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, Hero...

[@bsolute_luck]

raise. i always get sucked out on with 2 pair /images/graemlins/mad.gif

[Reqtech]

Raise. It's tempting to play this for overcalls, but you'll be regretting it when/if a gutshot calls and completes.

[milesdyson]

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Raise. It's tempting to play this for overcalls, but you'll be laugh when a gutshot calls two cold.

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fyp

[Reqtech]

Better to laugh than to regret, I do say suh!

[stoli]

I obviously could never disagree with a raise here, it forces the field to call for two and could win the hand right there. A slowplay might not be bad because the board is very uncordinated and even if a high card comes your two pair will likely hold up against someone who makes top pair only. That being said, I'm probably raising this here to avoid any unlikely holdings drawing out on me.

[Aaron W.]

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Call or raise this flop? These players are generally loose passive.


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Preflop: Hero is CO with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB checks.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, Hero...

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Don't slowplay two pair. But more importantly, don't slowplay two pair when you might run into overcards. Don't you know that they have 9-out redraws against you if they catch a pair on the turn?

Edit: I think it's 8 outs /images/graemlins/blush.gif

[USDaniels]

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raise. i always get sucked out on with 2 pair /images/graemlins/mad.gif

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Agreed (even though it's tempting on this flop). Besides, it's already 3.75 BBs. Win them and then all you have to do is NOT lose any more BBs for the next 99 hands and that's a pretty good win rate /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[2+2 Junkie]

grunching....
I go for overcalls here. I would raise the turn though.

[tor]

Call this flop. Right now it's small enough to slowplay and not worth folding everyone else out as draws you're afraid of are longshots. If it get checkraised, go for a 3bet or cap on this flop.

Start firing on that turn regardless of what falls.

[jpb324]

I did raise it - but then thought about it afterwards when they all folded. Seems easy raise in hindsight.

Thanks

[lautzutao]

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Don't slowplay two pair. But more importantly, don't slowplay two pair when you might run into overcards. Don't you know that they have 9-out redraws against you if they catch a pair on the turn?

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[imported_The Vibesman]

I raise. Tempting to slowplay, but a small two-pair isn't quite powerful enough for me to do so. Most of the players who will fold for two will also fold for one on this board.

[fish43]

1) call and give everyone else odds to call with their draws, adding 6 SB (1 for 4) to the pot with 5 opponents
2) raise, everyone correctly folds their draws and MP2 calls, adding 4 SB (2 for 2) to the pot heads up
3) raise, one player cold calls 2, MP2 calls, adding 6 SB (2 for 4) to the pot against 3 players.
4) raise, two players cold call 2, MP2 calls, adding 8 SB (2 for 6) to pot against 4 players

If only 1 player calls, you have eliminated two opponents at the cost of an extra bet but are still getting the same number of bets added to the pot. Seems like a good deal when you likely have the best hand. If more opponents call you are getting even more bets put into the pot making it okay to draw to the house if you are behind?

Plus, if MP2 three bets it can help define his hand (set, 2-pair, over pair)