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jedi
10-12-2005, 02:30 PM
I think my friend played this fairly correctly, but it generated a lot of discussion at the table when he was there (I wasn't). I think the same discussion can be generated here.

Friend, we'll call him "Kevin" has K /images/graemlins/heart.gif Q /images/graemlins/heart.gif in the Big Blind
UTG live straddles (read is loose agressive, loves to gamble and straddles a lot)
UTG+1 is very willing to play back at UTG.
Rest of the table is donkish.

UTG+1 cold calls, and so do 2 other players. SB calls, With the pot size at 11 SB, "Kevin" calls as well. UTG raises, UTG+1 caps, and all the other players call 2 more bets. Now there's 21 SBs in the pot with UTG going to call, so Kevin calls 2 more bets, making the pot size 24 bets. Kevin is likely to have the best hand vs. the gamblers, possibly behind an A-rag hand from the other limpers (or small blind), but still has a good multi-way hand.

Flop: J /images/graemlins/heart.gif 3 /images/graemlins/club.gif 6 /images/graemlins/spade.gif (24 SB)

SB checks. Kevin checks. UTG bets out, UTG+1 calls, 2 other limpers call + small blinds calls as well. Pot is 29 SB into Kevin who has a backdoor flush, backdoor straight and 2 overcards. In the past, I might have folded this, but the pot is too damn big. Kevin calls. (30 SB to the turn)

Turn: T /images/graemlins/club.gif (15 BB)

Kevin checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets. 1 guy folds, 1 guy calls, SB folds. Now there are 17 BB in the pot. Kevin now has OESD with 6 outs to the nuts, and 2 more outs that are possibly good, plus 2 overcards. Kevin calls and the UTG maniac folds

River A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif (18 BB)
Bingo, Bango, Bongo! Showtunes going off in Kevin's head.

He checks. UTG+1 bets, remaining other player calls, Kevin check-raises. UTG+1 asks if he has "KQ", Kevin says "Yeah." UTG+1 re-raises. Other guy folds. Kevin 4-bets and UTG+1 calls. (27 BB total)

Kevin shows his runner-runner straight, UTG+1 throws his set of Tens at the dealer and the table proceeds to talk about how much of a luckbox Kevin is for the rest of the evening.

Standard? Boring? Too loose?

A couple of years ago, I might have folded this on the flop with nothign more than overcards and backdoor possiblities, but after reading SSH and given the maniacal reads of UTG and UTG+1, Kevin played the hand the same way I would have played it now. Is this misapplied, or was this okay?

shant
10-12-2005, 02:34 PM
Looks fine to me.

Also, I hope your friend pointed to the dude's set and laughed really loud because I hate live players and I hope they all suffer.

Walker
10-12-2005, 02:36 PM
Raise Pf??? Post flop is standard.

Fat Nicky
10-12-2005, 02:41 PM
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Showtunes going off in Kevin's head

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Awesome!

Perfect hand, folding the flop getting an incredible 29-1 would be a huge mistake.

crunchy1
10-12-2005, 02:44 PM
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UTG+1 asks if he has "KQ", Kevin says "Yeah." UTG+1 re-raises.

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This is priceless! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

I find the hand itself standard and kind of boring.

jat850
10-12-2005, 02:52 PM
Shant may not like live play, but *hit this good does not happen online. LOL

callmedonnie
10-12-2005, 02:56 PM
he played everything perfectly and it is a quite standard line. I might have raised in the big blind with that hand. Other than that, I think the hand was played perfectly.

10-12-2005, 02:56 PM
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Looks fine to me.

Also, I hope your friend pointed to the dude's set and laughed really loud because I hate live players and I hope they all suffer.

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So what is the back story here?

LLL

shant
10-12-2005, 03:00 PM
There isn't one. Go to the Commerce a lot over the course of a few months and you'll hate live play too.

ReptileHouse
10-12-2005, 03:07 PM
I would probably raise pre-flop, but other than that I play this the same.

jedi
10-12-2005, 03:20 PM
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Looks fine to me.

Also, I hope your friend pointed to the dude's set and laughed really loud because I hate live players and I hope they all suffer.

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Forgot to mention. "Kevin" actually is a dealer at the casino that he was playing at.

ErrantNight
10-12-2005, 03:20 PM
hero should raise preflop the first time it comes around.

considering folding this flop is the Worst Idea Ever.

29:1. You should call just about anything in this spot. Hell, call 72o and hope to spike 2nd pair.

bozlax
10-12-2005, 03:31 PM
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UTG+1 asks if he has "KQ", Kevin says "Yeah."

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I wanna know what he would have done if Kevin had said no.

private joker
10-12-2005, 03:52 PM
Not much to discuss here; pretty standard on every street (though an argument can be made for raising PF).

jba
10-12-2005, 04:06 PM
raise preflop, for sure.

folding that flop is criminal.