How Much Do You Guys Make at the $55 SnG's? [Archive]

PokerProdigy

10-11-2005, 10:14 PM

10-11-2005, 10:31 PM

zero I don't play them.

But if you're a good player then you should make around 80 an hour w/out rakeback.

DyessMan89

10-11-2005, 10:36 PM

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zero I don't play them.

But if you're a good player then you should make around 80 an hour w/out rakeback.

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That might be stretching it, sir.

chisness

10-11-2005, 10:41 PM

(5-7 per tourn) * (# in hour)

10-11-2005, 10:41 PM

Using the stats from the FAQ.
Good 55 ROI = 13%
.13*55=7.15
7.15*8 tables=57.2
Tournaments average a little under an hour in length.

My estimate for what a good player can make 8 tabling the 55s is $60/hour.

axeshigh

10-11-2005, 10:41 PM

8 tabling = 10 games an hour or more, and 10 games for 10% ROI makes 55$. It's all pretty easy to figure out...

AA suited

10-11-2005, 11:19 PM

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I'm not a pro, but I have sustained $50/hr over 1k+ samples at the 55's, mostly 4-tabling.

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How long ago was that Eastbay?

Worse week was -$53/hr. Best week was +104/hr.

Last 850 SnGs= $39/hr (luckbox helped)

All figures were 4 tabling.

but no matter what #'s people list, it might not apply post party secession from the player pool.

chisness

10-11-2005, 11:37 PM

don't you think numbers will get better, not worse?

if i went to play on party now, i'd think the player quality would be worse now while many took money out of the skins and are waiting to see what to do and even when many migrate to party, not all will

10-11-2005, 11:42 PM

Not nessisarily, all the intelligent people moved back to party, the fish that were on the skins remained. So there's probably a few thousand LESS fish on the party tables.

Paragon

10-11-2005, 11:43 PM

Bear in mind these are PokerStars results from their $55+$5 turbos. I've mostly 6-tabled continuously (recently doing 8 with second monitor now), since playing in sets doesn't make too much sense at that site. First time for me at this level buyin, started in September, 17.6% roi so far after 688 games. Average length is weird since signup and waiting for the sng to begin have to be factored in at Stars. Also, it takes 15+ minutes before I can usually get 6+ tables running at once, just like it takes 15+ minutes to finish them all once I decide to quit. Average length probably has to be in the range of 45-60 minutes though... So between 6-8 sng's per hour, or $63-$84/hr I think. I really wish SNGTracker worked on Stars since this site has been kind.

downtown

10-12-2005, 12:08 AM

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How much money do you pros (actually just good/successful players in general) make at the $55 sng's per hour? In other words, how much can someone make per hour playing the $55 sngs? Also, how many tables do you play at once to achieve this rate?

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Errm, $100/hr since I've played them, but that's not been that long. I play 8 at once. I run good. I also only play at peak times.

I hope to sustain $60-70 an hour, which is well within what I condiser realistic. I may add another monitor if I stay at the 55s to 12 table, but I think that would only add another $15 or so on the top of my hourly rate, since I would probably only play 1 Party acct with a 10 table max.

Messy_Jesse

10-12-2005, 12:20 AM

Platying mostly in peak hours, and averaging 8.5 tables an hour (because sometimes I play for a few hours and play continuously, and sometimes I'll add another if I bust in 9th or 10th), I make $105/hr 8-tabling plus rakeback, so about $115 /hr. That's over around 3k 55s, though I only have the stats from my last 1300 because I lost some of my earlier data.

10-12-2005, 12:28 AM

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Platying mostly in peak hours, and averaging 8.5 tables an hour (because sometimes I play for a few hours and play continuously, and sometimes I'll add another if I bust in 9th or 10th), I make $105/hr 8-tabling plus rakeback, so about $115 /hr. That's over around 3k 55s, though I only have the stats from my last 1300 because I lost some of my earlier data.

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Damn good job over 3k SNGs, very nice stats.

And to address the Party-fish situation since Party has dropped all the skins. Trust me, the waters are still going to be fishy as ever.

The Don

10-12-2005, 02:28 AM

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/1999/insane550rw.png

About this much 8 tabling in sets. I hit a mild downswing at the end though as you can see so it should probably be higher. About $185 an hour is normal...

chisness

10-12-2005, 02:35 AM

$185 an hour YEAH OK

Irieguy

10-12-2005, 02:53 AM

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I hit a mild downswing at the end though as you can see so it should probably be higher. About $185 an hour is normal...

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Some of you guys are so funny.

By saying you think your results "should" be better because you had a mild downswing, implies that you feel most of your large data sets "should not" include mild downswings.

With MesseJesse and The Don taking so much money out of these games, I don't see how there was anything left for me last year.

Irieguy

johnnybeef

10-12-2005, 02:56 AM

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http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/1999/insane550rw.png

About this much 8 tabling in sets. I hit a mild downswing at the end though as you can see so it should probably be higher. About $185 an hour is normal...

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dude, you are high.

The Don

10-12-2005, 02:58 AM

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I hit a mild downswing at the end though as you can see so it should probably be higher. About $185 an hour is normal...

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Some of you guys are so funny.

By saying you think your results "should" be better because you had a mild downswing, implies that you feel most of your large data sets "should not" include mild downswings.

With MesseJesse and The Don taking so much money out of these games, I don't see how there was anything left for me last year.

Irieguy

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Ok I'll bite... were you kidding or did you not realize I was being facetious? If it's the latter I am glad to see my intelligence is so respected on these forums /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Bonafone

10-12-2005, 03:16 AM

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About this much 8 tabling in sets. I hit a mild downswing at the end though as you can see so it should probably be higher. About $185 an hour is normal...

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lolz, well i had sets up 200 with over 50%roi and sets of 200 where i felt like killing myself, but I can say that i held a 17% roi over 3k games (but this included 4 tabling, 6 tabling and 8 tabling as i progressed) my roi didnt change much from 4 to 6 to 8 tabling becuase i also was imporving a lot. oh yeah, i run goot about 90% of the time. I would be happy with 15% 8 tabling the 50's, so about 85/hr when playing continously.

Mr_J

10-12-2005, 03:29 AM

If I channel all of my energy into 1 $55 an hr I can win it, giving me $196.25 an hr including rakeback. I'm pretty spent after a few hours though, takes alot out of me.

Bonafone

10-12-2005, 03:33 AM

Well i can 8 table along with watching porn or doing some other task to keep me occupied, but i don't think its worth the 100/hr. maybe i should just start channeling my energy too. Thanks for the advice /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Fletch46

10-12-2005, 03:36 AM

Can you describe how you play so many tables at once? I can play 2 cash games but even then I'm missing things. I don't have alot of experience since most of my play has been live but I can't imagine playing 6 or 8 tables. I tried it with two cheap SNG tables just to see what it was like and I ended up short-handed at the same time on both tables. How do you manage if you are short-handed at several tables which I assume a successful player would be?

applejuicekid

10-12-2005, 03:45 AM

I really really don't like this thread.

10-12-2005, 04:56 AM

Lucid1

10-12-2005, 08:07 AM

I'm new in the 55s this month.

So far, after about 500 50+5s I have 6% ROI, but my sample size is way too small. I'm hoping to achieve 10% - because if I can't do that I don't belong in the 55s and will make more money in the 33s...

Hopefully my 6% is due to some bad luck, but who knows. Only one way to find out if I'm good enough - and that is to play more...

I think a lot of people either exaggurate their ROIs, or don't play much, because I have a pretty high ranking on the leaderboard on Party - and I haven't really played _that_ many hours daily /images/graemlins/wink.gif

btw I 10-table... When I find out how to use two partypoker accounts, I'll at least 12-table again...

I might post my stats and ask for comments when my sample size is 2000 or so. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

PokerProdigy

10-12-2005, 11:04 AM

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I really really don't like this thread.

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Why?

downtown

10-12-2005, 11:30 AM

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I hit a mild downswing at the end though as you can see so it should probably be higher. About $185 an hour is normal...

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Some of you guys are so funny.

By saying you think your results "should" be better because you had a mild downswing, implies that you feel most of your large data sets "should not" include mild downswings.

With MesseJesse and The Don taking so much money out of these games, I don't see how there was anything left for me last year.

Irieguy

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Ok I'll bite... were you kidding or did you not realize I was being facetious? If it's the latter I am glad to see my intelligence is so respected on these forums /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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I knew you were kidding. "Mild downswing" lol.

Messy_Jesse

10-12-2005, 11:49 AM

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I hit a mild downswing at the end though as you can see so it should probably be higher. About $185 an hour is normal...

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Some of you guys are so funny.

By saying you think your results "should" be better because you had a mild downswing, implies that you feel most of your large data sets "should not" include mild downswings.

With MesseJesse and The Don taking so much money out of these games, I don't see how there was anything left for me last year.

Irieguy

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Well, it could have something to do with the fact that there are so many players out there at a time. In a typical hour, I play against 76 other people- so every hour I play, on average, I take little over a $1 from each person. Not that huge, especially considering that it has been since March or May. Or, maybe I'm just "funny".

stupidsucker

10-12-2005, 12:20 PM

Man you people are awesome.

Poker is rigged..

My T9s cant beat T6o , but you people run heaters for 1300 games and make $185/hr... WTF. I hate life.

The Don

10-12-2005, 12:43 PM

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Can you describe how you play so many tables at once? I can play 2 cash games but even then I'm missing things. I don't have alot of experience since most of my play has been live but I can't imagine playing 6 or 8 tables. I tried it with two cheap SNG tables just to see what it was like and I ended up short-handed at the same time on both tables. How do you manage if you are short-handed at several tables which I assume a successful player would be?

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The strategy in SNGs is so basic that they are really tailored well for multi tabling. I like sets because you will inherently play tighter early on with the full table and the deeper stacks. I get a bit out of sorts when I have 6 or 7 short handed tables going at once and probably sacrifice some EV. Normally, I will have 4 or 5 and it will be ok. I can say though that 8 tabling SNGs is 320498290 times easier than 4 tabling HU SNGs which I have been doing since the party switch.

10-12-2005, 01:25 PM

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Can you describe how you play so many tables at once? I can play 2 cash games but even then I'm missing things. I don't have alot of experience since most of my play has been live but I can't imagine playing 6 or 8 tables. I tried it with two cheap SNG tables just to see what it was like and I ended up short-handed at the same time on both tables. How do you manage if you are short-handed at several tables which I assume a successful player would be?

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The strategy in SNGs is so basic that they are really tailored well for multi tabling. I like sets because you will inherently play tighter early on with the full table and the deeper stacks. I get a bit out of sorts when I have 6 or 7 short handed tables going at once and probably sacrifice some EV. Normally, I will have 4 or 5 and it will be ok. I can say though that 8 tabling SNGs is 320498290 times easier than 4 tabling HU SNGs which I have been doing since the party switch.

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4 tabling heads up SNGs? Yikes! I would be pully my hair out! Once I played HU sngs in sets of 2, but couldnt do anymore without losing tons and tons of concentration and sacrificing EV.

petvan

10-12-2005, 01:30 PM

it is -EV

raptor517

10-12-2005, 02:30 PM

threads like this make me never want to post anything useful on 2+2. holla

Messy_Jesse

10-12-2005, 03:39 PM

The problem is that the only people that are really going to post relevant personal results are those that are satisfied with them. Then everyone gets pissed off because they just think its bullsh.it, and then nothing useful or relevant gets posted. Oh well.

Fletch46

10-13-2005, 01:27 AM

"threads like this make me never want to post anything useful on 2+2."

To me just about everything on 2+2 is useful. I learn from everyone who posts even if I don't agree with them or understand everything they are saying. We are all at different points in our game and I'm at the point where I have tons to learn. If you don't think this thread is useful why do you keep coming back to it? I keep coming back because I really appreciate people taking the time to answer my question. Maybe instead of complaining you'd like to contribute. Do you multi-table? If you do, how do you do it? How do you remember who has been raising and/or check raising, who's playing bad cards or slowplaying or all the other stuff we're suppose to notice and still act in time on every table? I'd be interested in your comments.

10-13-2005, 01:52 AM

I multitable using MTH on my crappy ass monitor. I usually don't notice a slow play until it happens to me since I play a ABC type game at the 10+1s. If I'm check raised without a great hand I give it up since most low level players strive for the check raise opportunity.

MegaBet

10-13-2005, 09:02 AM

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Platying mostly in peak hours, and averaging 8.5 tables an hour (because sometimes I play for a few hours and play continuously, and sometimes I'll add another if I bust in 9th or 10th), I make $105/hr 8-tabling plus rakeback, so about $115 /hr. That's over around 3k 55s, though I only have the stats from my last 1300 because I lost some of my earlier data.

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$105/hr over 3k games at the 55s lmao! Call me "cynical" but that's just unbelieveable. I wish people told the truth here.

Mr_J

10-13-2005, 11:02 AM

"$105/hr over 3k games at the 55s lmao!"

He'd need 23% roi.

If he averaged 11 sngs an hr it's a more realistic 17%, which is still right up there. You'd have to play the $55s as well as raptor or irie to hit that 8tabling.

beeyjay

10-13-2005, 02:16 PM

just from my experience you would have to play closer to as well as god to hit that 8 tabling. for what its worth im around 60/hr. i am sure higher than this is possible but 105 sounds like a little much.

pokerdirty

10-13-2005, 03:11 PM

i've won 4 in a row at the 11s, 6 of 7....

raptor517

10-13-2005, 03:20 PM

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"$105/hr over 3k games at the 55s lmao!"

He'd need 23% roi.

If he averaged 11 sngs an hr it's a more realistic 17%, which is still right up there. You'd have to play the $55s as well as raptor or irie to hit that 8tabling.

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my lifetime 55 roi 8-16 tabling is 17%. ive played an adequate sample i presume as well. granted.. i havent played a 55 in about 4-5 months, so they are likely more difficult, but i dont doubt 17% is still doable, especially 8 tabling and mixing in some early game play. holla

Messy_Jesse

10-13-2005, 07:05 PM

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Platying mostly in peak hours, and averaging 8.5 tables an hour (because sometimes I play for a few hours and play continuously, and sometimes I'll add another if I bust in 9th or 10th), I make $105/hr 8-tabling plus rakeback, so about $115 /hr. That's over around 3k 55s, though I only have the stats from my last 1300 because I lost some of my earlier data.

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Haha. Whats funny is that just because you have different stats doesn't mean that noone else can do as well. I talked to someone very respected the other day who had a 23% ROI at the 55s over 1500 games. Stop acting like you have to make a bajillion posts to be good. I'm not pretending like I'm the best, or anything at all near it, but stop hating. Seriously- I don't care if you think I'm lying- I guess I'll stop posting stuff like that, and I'll let you continue to live in fairy-land where a 14% ROI is GREAT. Best of luck to ya.

$105/hr over 3k games at the 55s lmao! Call me "cynical" but that's just unbelieveable. I wish people told the truth here.

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MegaBet

10-13-2005, 07:26 PM

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Platying mostly in peak hours, and averaging 8.5 tables an hour (because sometimes I play for a few hours and play continuously, and sometimes I'll add another if I bust in 9th or 10th), I make $105/hr 8-tabling plus rakeback, so about $115 /hr. That's over around 3k 55s, though I only have the stats from my last 1300 because I lost some of my earlier data.

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Haha. Whats funny is that just because you have different stats doesn't mean that noone else can do as well. I talked to someone very respected the other day who had a 23% ROI at the 55s over 1500 games. Stop acting like you have to make a bajillion posts to be good. I'm not pretending like I'm the best, or anything at all near it, but stop hating. Seriously- I don't care if you think I'm lying- I guess I'll stop posting stuff like that, and I'll let you continue to live in fairy-land where a 14% ROI is GREAT. Best of luck to ya.

$105/hr over 3k games at the 55s lmao! Call me "cynical" but that's just unbelieveable. I wish people told the truth here.

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Looking at both your usernames on Poker Prophecy you have significantly lower stats than myself. Yes, I know Poker Prophecy is unreliable, but is accurate to within +/- 3%. You have 35% and 39.3% (at the 55s), whereas BOTH my accounts are in the 43% area. And I have never confessed to making over $100 an hour on average at the 55s. Sorry if I have caught you out.

Newt_Buggs

10-13-2005, 07:40 PM

wow, there's been some stupid things posted on this thread, but saying that prophecy is accurate +- 3%? Where did you come up with this number? Prophecy is getting better, but it was extreemly innacurate for a long time so for a player like Jesse half of the tourneys he has recorded will be way off. Prophecy has my $33 tournaments from back in the day way off.

MegaBet

10-13-2005, 07:50 PM

I knew someone would chime in. We've had this discussion before, and I don't want to go though it again in this thread. Use the search function.

Messy_Jesse

10-14-2005, 01:13 AM

Actually, my long term ITM % is around 38.5%. A large chunk of my ROI comes from a lot more firsts than seconds or thirds. I know my strengths, and I feel that I do a good job of accumulating chips with between 3-5 players left, which means that I get a lot of firsts and thus have a very good ROI. Way to "have caught [me] out" lol

ace_in_the_hole

10-14-2005, 01:27 AM

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I knew someone would chime in. We've had this discussion before, and I don't want to go though it again in this thread. Use the search function.

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Prophecy has me rated as over 40% and Professional, that alone is proof of it fallacy. Holler.

applejuicekid

10-14-2005, 02:20 AM

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"$105/hr over 3k games at the 55s lmao!"

He'd need 23% roi.

If he averaged 11 sngs an hr it's a more realistic 17%, which is still right up there. You'd have to play the $55s as well as raptor or irie to hit that 8tabling.

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my lifetime 55 roi 8-16 tabling is 17%. ive played an adequate sample i presume as well. granted.. i havent played a 55 in about 4-5 months, so they are likely more difficult, but i dont doubt 17% is still doable, especially 8 tabling and mixing in some early game play. holla

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Awwww...so you mean this isn't you?

***** Hand History for Game 2610277319 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:15227920 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Sunday, August 28, 00:52:38 EDT 2005
Table Table 14038 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: OceanSpring ( $1000 )
Seat 9: bdungy22 ( $1000 )
Seat 4: bunnykiller ( $1000 )
Seat 5: TrudyWiegel ( $1000 )
Seat 3: sjk33 ( $1000 )
Seat 1: StrvingShark ( $1000 )
Seat 6: SendToPoppa ( $1000 )
Seat 10: POKERWIZ1121 ( $1000 )
Seat 7: Triple_E ( $1000 )
Seat 8: Raptor5won7 ( $1000 )

Or am I being a nit since 1.5 months is close enough to 4-5 months?