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10-11-2005, 09:02 PM
This is from a Stars $5.50 MTT. Villan seems pretty donkish, but hasn't really played many big hands. I felt dirty after I folded it, but it felt right. Was I wrong?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t1650)
MP1 (t2793)
MP2 (t2020)
MP3 (t1045)
CO (t1250)
Button (t967)
SB (t570)
BB (t2045)
UTG (t1140)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t100</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls t100, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>.

Flop: (t245) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP2 checks.

Turn: (t245) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero bets t150, MP2 raises t1450 to t1600 (all-in), Hero folds.

Final Pot: t245
LethalRose
10-11-2005, 09:07 PM
wow, people have told me they have folded hands like this when i get aggressive, i didnt actually think they were telling the truth.
DireWolf
10-11-2005, 09:14 PM
bet the flop. The hand will be much easier to play.
pineapple888
10-11-2005, 09:15 PM
Fold. The only real hand you beat is QQ. If villain was bluffing, such is life.
Melchiades
10-11-2005, 09:17 PM
Huh. Only QQ?
nath
10-11-2005, 09:20 PM
Well, a donk doesn't have to have a jack to make that bet. But a donk is also more likely to shove all-in with any big hand. So... I don't know.

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bet the flop. The hand will be much easier to play.

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Pasterbator
10-11-2005, 09:21 PM
umm it's a 5.50. you need to call this. He has A10.
gr8vertical
10-11-2005, 09:22 PM
5+.50? I can't call fast enough
Firefly
10-11-2005, 09:40 PM
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5+.50? I can't call fast enough

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DyessMan89
10-11-2005, 09:56 PM
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Fold. The only real hand you beat is QQ. If villain was bluffing, such is life.

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In a 5 buck tourney QQ is the only real hand you beat? Wow. Terrible thinking.

Anyways, bet the flop ... and if you get called, play the turn as a WA/WB situation. There are no draws that he could be on, so I think this is correct.

As it happened, I think its a tough decision. This is the exact way a donk would play a J. They like to slowplay like they see on the television ... and then get all their money in on the turn. However, I really think he could be making this move with a T or a smaller pair as well.

My gut tells me fold, but my chips and the situation tells me to call. Id make this call a good portion of the time.
10-11-2005, 11:01 PM
In white:
<font color="white">Villain shows [Jc Ac] (three of a kind, Jacks). Like I said, I threw up a little in my mouth as I hit fold, and then hugged myself when he showed. As many posters pointed out, I probably should have bet the flop, but probably would have lost either way. And, to clarify, most of the time this would be an instacall, but something just didn't feel right. Man's intuition, I guess. </font>
TBone
10-11-2005, 11:45 PM
At least if you bet the flop, you have a better idea of where you stand rather than checking the flop and betting the turn. Since you showed weakness on the flop after raising preflop, it's fairly likely that the ten didn't help you, so a good player could make this move based on your flop weakness.

Good fold.

T
Hotrod0823
10-12-2005, 12:18 AM
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It had to be said !