Some Things The Catholc Church Admit Are Untrue

[David Sklansky]

Just so that everybody is talking about the same thing, I lifted this from the recent article mentioned on the other thread. I'm curious which Christians take issue with it.

UNTRUE

Genesis ii, 21-22

So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept he took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh; and the rib which the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man

Genesis iii, 16

God said to the woman [after she was beguiled by the serpent]: “I will greatly multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.”


Matthew xxvii, 25

The words of the crowd: “His blood be on us and on our children.”


Revelation xix,20

And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had worked the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshipped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with brimstone.”

[Lestat]

Off topic a bit, but I'm wondering if anyone knows what caused the church to reconsider these things and declare them untrue.

Science?
Political pressure?
Some other reason pertaining to religious accuracy?
A little of all the above?

[DougShrapnel]

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Off topic a bit, but I'm wondering if anyone knows what caused the church to reconsider these things and declare them untrue.

Science?; Political pressure? ; or Both?

[/ QUOTE ]I assume reason.

[bearly]

perhaps the catholic church is in business for itself.

[Jeff V]

Just to clarify- the catholic church does not speak for all believers, alot of catholics in my family think it's a little looney.

[IronUnkind]

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Political pressure?

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In one of the cases, this is nearly certain.

to the poster who believes that the catholic church is in business for itself, this is only true if by "itself" you also mean the single largest group collection of charities and non-profit organizations in the world. If you mean that, then yeah.

I dont know, maybe the scores of "evangelical ministers" (protestants) who appear on tv and bs you and then tell you that god will bless you if you give them money, maybe they just might be in business for themselves.

I would like to believe that the Church appended their beliefs on the above quoted sections of the bible solely because of conviction and reason, but it is a human organization.

Its funny how vehemently I defend the Catholic Church, seeing as how Im an atheist.

Oh well, I guess I'll step into the role of "resident Catholicism expert" /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

haha, just kidding

[Peter666]

Just as one example, it can never be stated by the Catholic Church that the words “His blood be on us and on our children" were never said. That would be saying the Evangelist who witnessed it was a liar.

The entire article is a piece of crap that merely causes confusion. One must read the original text it cites instead to figure out what the writers are thinking.

[RJT]

Yep, Pete is correct. "Untrue" is merely yellow journalism. (Haven't been able to find the original text, yet. A link would help if anyone does.)

I suspect we will find the word "allegory" used quite a bit in the teaching document in question.

[RJT]

P.s - The reason for the document? Don’t be surprised if it wasn’t published for the edification of us 2+2ers. (Maybe we are as big as our collective heads.) /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[purnell]

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P.s - The reason for the document? Don’t be surprised if it wasn’t published for the edification of us 2+2ers. (Maybe we are as big as our collective heads.) /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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I finally found something that I can call absolutely impossible.

[RxForMoreCowbell]

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I suspect we will find the word "allegory" used quite a bit in the teaching document in question.

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In many discussions of what is true in the Bible and what is not the defense of the stories being allegorical is brought up. If the interpretation is that the literal level of the text is outlandish, but the figurative level is sound, I have no problem with this. However, it holds no weight if what the person of faith rejects is the figurative level of the story. Certainly in at least one case of those mentioned, Genesis iii, 16, the Catholic Church probably wants to distance itself from the ramifications of the figurative part of the allegory. What the Church does not want to promote is the idea that God punishes women further than he does men and that they deserve it.

I'm glad to see you're finally working on the Catholics. We need their vote. We can't get to the Whitehouse w/o swinging a lot of the Catholics over to our side.

Ventura & Sklansky in 2008!!!

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to the poster who believes that the catholic church is in business for itself, this is only true if by "itself" you also mean the single largest group collection of charities and non-profit organizations in the world. If you mean that, then yeah.


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If scientologists set up a similar number of charities, and, alongside doing good work, tried to peddle their religion to native tribes, the poor and the destitute, would you make this same comment?

[hurlyburly]

NH, sir!

I'd BECOME a scientologist if they did that. A scientologist missionary!

How would the natives pay?

[RJT]

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NH, sir!

I'd BECOME a scientologist if they did that. A scientologist missionary!



How would the natives pay?

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Umm, casino revenue?

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to the poster who believes that the catholic church is in business for itself, this is only true if by "itself" you also mean the single largest group collection of charities and non-profit organizations in the world. If you mean that, then yeah.


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If scientologists set up a similar number of charities, and, alongside doing good work, tried to peddle their religion to native tribes, the poor and the destitute, would you make this same comment?

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Absolutely. When I was younger and all uber-christian (i.e. not thinking for myself), I went on a missionary trip to Africa with a bunch of kids from my jesuit high school. Apart from the 2,000 shots, the intense heat, and the smells, all I can really remember was shock (at the time) that the natives weren't forced into the religion, it was just there if they wanted to find out about it.

Im not a judgmental person. If satan worshippers also spent tens of millions on charities without forcing their religion on people, I would be all for it.

I leave prejudice to the Christians