View Full Version : And the new James Bond is...
samjjones
10-11-2005, 05:06 PM
Daniel Craig (http://www.thisislondon.com/showbiz/articles/20594611?source=Daily%20Mail&ct=5)
http://permanent.nouvelobs.com/photos/20050406.OBS3738.jpg
cold_cash
10-11-2005, 05:07 PM
Damn. I was SO hoping to get it.
diebitter
10-11-2005, 05:08 PM
He'll piss all over Blofeld!
Bond pwns all-comers.
Shoulda been the guy from The Transporter .
private joker
10-11-2005, 05:10 PM
Is this the guy from "Enduring Love?" Oh my god. Not only did that movie blow chunks, but he overacted in it embarrassingly. This guy sucks my ass.
samjjones
10-11-2005, 05:11 PM
He was very good in Layer Cake. I think he can act the part, although he looks nothing like Fleming's descriptions of Bond.
swede123
10-11-2005, 05:14 PM
They need to clone Moore and continue using him. I personally like Connery more as an actor but Moore is more true to Fleming's bond I think.
Swede
pokerdirty
10-11-2005, 05:15 PM
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Is this the guy from "Enduring Love?" Oh my god. Not only did that movie blow chunks, but he overacted in it embarrassingly . This guy sucks my ass.
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should make for a normal bond.
diebitter
10-11-2005, 05:16 PM
Oh I don't know I think he could do smooth but double-hard.
JackWilson
10-11-2005, 05:17 PM
This guy was quite good in Layer Cake as previously mentioned. I'm curious - who were the others considered to be candidates for the role? He just doesn't really strike me as Bond.
samjjones
10-11-2005, 05:17 PM
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They need to clone Moore and continue using him. I personally like Connery more as an actor but Moore is more true to Fleming's bond I think.
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Wow, this is completely wrong.
samjjones
10-11-2005, 05:18 PM
According to various things I have read, both Hugh Jackman and Clive Owen turned it down. The final two were Craig and some guy named Henry Cavill (who coincidentally was one of the finalists for the new Superman).
swede123
10-11-2005, 05:19 PM
Clive Owen, Hugh Jackman, Jude Law, to name three well known people.
Personally I think Owen would be OK, though he might be a bit grim for the role as the carefree super agent.
Swede
swede123
10-11-2005, 05:23 PM
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They need to clone Moore and continue using him. I personally like Connery more as an actor but Moore is more true to Fleming's bond I think.
Swede
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Wow, this is completely wrong.
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Hmm, perhaps I'm thinking of Moore's portrayal as the Saint being true to the original stories. I have to read some more Fleming to refresh my memory on what Bond is like.
Swede
MEbenhoe
10-11-2005, 05:26 PM
what? what happened to my boy remington steele?
and if they had to replace him i agree that it
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Chris Daddy Cool
10-11-2005, 05:30 PM
julian mcmahan from nip/tuck was said to be in the front running too for a while.
samjjones
10-11-2005, 05:32 PM
Timothy Dalton's portrayal (despite having two lackluster scripts to work with) was actually closest to Fleming's text. Some of Moore's Bond movies were fine (notably "The Spy Who Loved Me"), but overall, Connery's PWNS Moore, to use the popular vernacular.
lem45216
10-11-2005, 05:44 PM
Hmm, can't say i've seen any of his films. In that photo though he looks like a bit of a geezer, which will make a nice change. Rather him than some poncey bond like Jude Law or Orlando Bloom.
JackWilson
10-11-2005, 05:47 PM
Hmmm...I'm thinking (and this is obviously up for debate)
1. Clive Owen
2. Craig Davids
3. Hugh Jackman
4. Jude Law
So all in all not too bad then
I'd rather see Jackman as Bond, but I guess it's too much for one guy to be both Wolverine -and- James Bond. Then again, Rocky and Rambo were the same guy.
In the article they mention Orlando Bloom. James Bond with a bow would be awesome.
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daveymck
10-11-2005, 05:53 PM
He was pretty good in Our Friends in the North which was a fantastic series I just dont see him as a bond, its a surpising choice he is probably reasonable well known on the UK but maybe not so much in the rest of the world market.
I'd rather see Samuel L Jackson as Bond.
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Yeah. It's be the first use of the following script.
Hot Chick: "What's your name?"
Bond: "Motherfucker. Bad Motherfucker."
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TheMainEvent
10-11-2005, 06:03 PM
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Shoulda been the guy from The Transporter .
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A balding James Bond? Uhhh...nope.
Blarg
10-11-2005, 06:11 PM
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They need to clone Moore and continue using him. I personally like Connery more as an actor but Moore is more true to Fleming's bond I think.
Swede
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He does have the snobby edge, but otherwise, Fleming's Bond always seemed quite serious to me, and Moore is anything but serious.
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Shoulda been the guy from The Transporter .
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A balding James Bond? Uhhh...nope.
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Characteristics of a good James Bond.
1) Confident
2) Good with the ladies
3) Credible in a fight with a Russian Goon.
What does hair have to do with it. Besides this guy was "Handsome Rob" in the Italian Job. You may like your men hairy but it is not a requirement for Bond.
Loser, Low Limit Loser
LLL
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I'd rather see Samuel L Jackson as Bond.
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Yeah. It's be the first use of the following script.
Hot Chick: "What's your name?"
Bond: "Motherfucker. Bad Motherfucker."
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This is a quality post!
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Klepton
10-11-2005, 06:15 PM
this guy ruled in layer cake, i have full confidence in him for james bond.
although i feel he's gonna be a meaner james than pierce. pierce was a charming douche
Blarg
10-11-2005, 06:18 PM
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Hmm, can't say i've seen any of his films. In that photo though he looks like a bit of a geezer, which will make a nice change. Rather him than some poncey bond like Jude Law or Orlando Bloom.
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Or even the last one, whom my friends and I joke looks like a twerp that our grandmothers could beat up. He can pull off classy just fine, but is absolutely unconvincing as a threatening physical presence. His shoulders are narrow, he's got skinny arms, and his chest is practically concave.
I'm much more partial to the Connery mold of an impeccably polished ape in a suit. When he threatened to break a girl's arm, you got the feeling he wasn't kidding. For all his sophistication, he had a job to do and would do what it took to get it done. There was an undertone of scariness to Connery's Bond.
Blarg
10-11-2005, 06:20 PM
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I'd rather see Jackman as Bond, but I guess it's too much for one guy to be both Wolverine -and- James Bond. Then again, Rocky and Rambo were the same guy.
In the article they mention Orlando Bloom. James Bond with a bow would be awesome.
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Jackman would be in there as a result of winning a popularity contest. He's nothing like Bond. He could perhaps correct that, as he's a good actor, but the world isn't short of actors, and some must fit the mold better.
Blarg
10-11-2005, 06:26 PM
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I'd rather see Samuel L Jackson as Bond.
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Yeah. It's be the first use of the following script.
Hot Chick: "What's your name?"
Bond: "Motherfucker. Bad Motherfucker."
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Now this I could get behind.
007, on Her Majesty's Secret Motherfucking Service.
Blarg
10-11-2005, 06:28 PM
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this guy ruled in layer cake, i have full confidence in him for james bond.
although i feel he's gonna be a meaner james than pierce. pierce was a charming douche
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We've been overdue for a meaner James Bond for a long, long time.
I may even feel like watching one with this new James Bond in it. I have Layer Cake on order because of the good reviews I've read about this dude being a decent hard ass there.
diebitter
10-11-2005, 06:49 PM
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this guy ruled in layer cake, i have full confidence in him for james bond.
although i feel he's gonna be a meaner james than pierce. pierce was a charming douche
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I know it's all water under the bridge - but look at the scene in Dr No where Connery shoots the unarmed guy dead for the hell of it, calm as anything.
He was the baddest bond.
john smith
10-11-2005, 07:04 PM
Is that the guy boning Sienna Miller?
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Is that the guy boning Sienna Miller?
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No that's me.
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Blarg
10-11-2005, 07:23 PM
Yup. Loved that scene, perhaps the best scene in any Bond film.
I also liked how he was "casually" interrogating that same scientist at his workplace earlier on. If you watch it closely, it plays kind of casually but was really a very tense scene, and Bond looks like he's getting really pissed off, but is calm and very polite on the outside. You get the feeling that on the inside he's angry and wants to tear the guy's ears off or something, both to get the truth out of him and because he doesn't care to be bullsh*tted by a guy whose shaky story seems to suggest he's tied in to the death of British agents.
A good illustration of the dual nature of Bond that can make him so interesting when well played. Sharp as a a tack and cool headed, and he knows how to do everything just so, but there's violence underneath and you know he's capable of something nasty. The suit may be beautiful, the manners impeccable, and the aplomb admirable, but you're dealing with something volatile and it could get nasty.
A parallel scene to the one described above is his dinner on the train, in From Russia With Love, with the Russian agent who's pretending to be British. Bond sees through him right away, but grits his teeth as long as he has to in order to find out more from the agent he knew killed one of his own. He looks like he's about to fly into a rage but somehow still manages to pull off looking calm and well-mannered. Quite a neat trick indeed.
diebitter
10-11-2005, 07:26 PM
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Yup. Loved that scene, perhaps the best scene in any Bond film.
I also liked how he was "casually" interrogating that same scientist at his workplace earlier on. If you watch it closely, it plays kind of casually but was really a very tense scene, and Bond looks like he's getting really pissed off, but is calm and very polite on the outside. You get the feeling that on the inside he's angry and wants to tear the guy's ears off or something, both to get the truth out of him and because he doesn't care to be bullsh*tted by a guy whose shaky story seems to suggest he's tied in to the death of British agents.
A good illustration of the dual nature of Bond that can make him so interesting when well played. Sharp as a a tack and cool headed, and he knows how to do everything just so, but there's violence underneath and you know he's capable of something nasty. The suit may be beautiful, the manners impeccable, and the aplomb admirable, but you're dealing with something volatile and it could get nasty.
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Oh, nice point, Blarg - I'll have to dig it out and watch it.
There's another scene I like that's not obvious, in goldfinger I think. He's trapped, he knows the villain's plans, and there's no clear way to stop it. What does he do? He sits, and starts thinking - calmly.
I love that!
Blarg
10-11-2005, 07:40 PM
I think I remember that.
The best of the old Sean Connery Bonds often gave you tense situations in which you might wonder, what would I do if it were me? If I were that smooth and deadly, at least. Bond sometimes came up with some damn good answers, and used his head. Then again, he wasn't above trying anything, and even bungling it, as when he tried to sneak a knife off Dr. No's dinner table and got embarassingly chided for it by Dr. No. That you could feel his struggle made it more interesting. With subsequent Bonds, the struggle often had no mental component, or everything was solved with ever more silly gadgets. The earliest Bonds had more tension in them, and Bond was sharper.
Note my addition to the post you quoted. I like moments like these a lot. The post-Connery Bonds didn't manage to pull that sort of thing off.
I actually would have liked to see this guy play Bond. Although I have no idea if he can pull the accent. He's got bits and pieces of Timoty Dalton, and Pierce Brosnan in him, and he's physically fit for the role. Plus he's young so they wouldn't HAVE to replace him any time soon, unless of course they wanted to.
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Call me crazy but I think the fat kid from Stand By Me would have made a good Bond.
ptmusic
10-11-2005, 10:21 PM
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I actually would have liked to see this guy play Bond. Although I have no idea if he can pull the accent. He's got bits and pieces of Timoty Dalton, and Pierce Brosnan in him, and he's physically fit for the role. Plus he's young so they wouldn't HAVE to replace him any time soon, unless of course they wanted to.
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Call me crazy but I think the fat kid from Stand By Me would have made a good Bond.
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Joke?
CrazyEyez
10-11-2005, 10:22 PM
I thought Clive Owen would be a shoe-in. I think he would have been perfect.
I cannot for the life of me picture Jackman or Law as Bond.
Klepton
10-11-2005, 10:23 PM
this would be the worst bond ever.
Blarg
10-11-2005, 10:27 PM
He's Mr. Nice Guy. I don't perceive enough of a threat in him, nor does he seem sophisticated. He's more like a likeable Everyman.
Blarg
10-11-2005, 10:31 PM
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I thought Clive Owen would be a shoe-in. I think he would have been perfect.
I cannot for the life of me picture Jackman or Law as Bond.
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Ditto on Jackman or Law.
And I agree on Clive Owens, too, if he got in shape a little, to get a little more physically prepossessing. He can pull off sophisticated and cooly cruel very well.
Which for some reason brought the image of Christopher Walken to mind. Now that would be a good joke version of Bond to envision a movie around.
"Bond, James --- hey, did you ever notice the animals in the zoo?"
imported_anacardo
10-11-2005, 10:45 PM
Jopke. Jopke.
Donkeys always draw.
peachy
10-11-2005, 10:46 PM
they were thinking about putting Jude Laws ex in the 1st one with him....this is the guy she hooked up with after she spilt up with Law /images/graemlins/laugh.gif
mslif
10-11-2005, 10:47 PM
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they were thinking about putting Jude Laws ex in the 1st one with him....this is the guy she hooked up with after she spilt up with Law /images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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I think she made a good trade, he is way better than Jude Law
slamdunkpro
10-11-2005, 10:49 PM
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peachy
10-11-2005, 10:50 PM
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Is that the guy boning Sienna Miller?
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yes
peachy
10-11-2005, 10:53 PM
i would have rather have seen Owen or Jackman do the part...i think either could have pulled it off well, this guy i dont know well but he doesnt really fit "bond" to me, but i guess we will see. Connery was the BEST of them all and always will be to me /images/graemlins/frown.gif Id still do him even today...hes one of the rare men that looks better and better as he gets older
Colonel Kataffy
10-11-2005, 11:00 PM
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A balding James Bond? Uhhh...nope.
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Sean Connery was bald. He just had a damn good toupee.
wacki
10-11-2005, 11:04 PM
Other than spreading my legs for the infamous milf hunter, I pretty much agree with peachy.
I'm not 100% on who was the best bond though. Brosnan was pretty damn good.
private joker
10-11-2005, 11:05 PM
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Characteristics of a good James Bond.
1) Confident
2) Good with the ladies
3) Credible in a fight with a Russian Goon.
What does hair have to do with it. Besides this guy was "Handsome Rob" in the Italian Job. You may like your men hairy but it is not a requirement for Bond.
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This is the most hilariously ironic post on 2+2 today. I love Jason Statham -- awesome actor, great in action movies, etc. -- but he's been pretty much out of the closet for a while in many circles, and America just isn't ready for a gay James Bond. It's the same reason Rupert Everett didn't get the role, and he's even more out of the closet. If we're still laughing at the Brokeback Mountain trailer (pathetic reactions from the knuckle-dragging homophobes in theaters around the nation), then we won't accept Statham as Bond -- when his preferences inevitably become more well-known as his star rises.
Blarg
10-11-2005, 11:12 PM
I can see how a gay James Bond could be unintentionally hilarious time after time. All credit to the power of acting, but I think a gay James Bond would be almost unworkable unless you were just going to Roger Moore it up and turn the whole thing into a joke.
peachy
10-11-2005, 11:14 PM
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Characteristics of a good James Bond.
1) Confident
2) Good with the ladies
3) Credible in a fight with a Russian Goon.
What does hair have to do with it. Besides this guy was "Handsome Rob" in the Italian Job. You may like your men hairy but it is not a requirement for Bond.
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This is the most hilariously ironic post on 2+2 today. I love Jason Statham -- awesome actor, great in action movies, etc. -- but he's been pretty much out of the closet for a while in many circles, and America just isn't ready for a gay James Bond. It's the same reason Rupert Everett didn't get the role, and he's even more out of the closet. If we're still laughing at the Brokeback Mountain trailer (pathetic reactions from the knuckle-dragging homophobes in theaters around the nation), then we won't accept Statham as Bond -- when his preferences inevitably become more well-known as his star rises.
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i was so sad when i found out Rupert Everett was gay some years back /images/graemlins/frown.gif he is one of those few men u can actually categorize as "dashingly handsome and charming" (guess only gay men can be that now days) but i wanted him for mahself /images/graemlins/mad.gif and i usually dont find men of his build to be that attractive to me....but id marry him even though he is gay...and the accent - icing on the cake
CrazyEyez
10-11-2005, 11:48 PM
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Huh. First I've heard of it.
astroglide
10-11-2005, 11:49 PM
this guy seems like he's going to look 60 years old any day now
TheBlueMonster
10-11-2005, 11:50 PM
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Daniel Craig (http://www.thisislondon.com/showbiz/articles/20594611?source=Daily%20Mail&ct=5)
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he was pretty good in "L4yercake"
I just think he looks the part and he's obviously in shape/physical enough to play the part.
I guess what I'm saying is the "infrastructure" is already there in this guy. He just looks the part. But I think they tried to go outside the box with this one. I heard Heath Ledger was a real front-runner. ?
Jerry O'Connell also has the 'devious' grin going for him, although I think Bond's persona is more about the smug smirk rather than the devilish grin.
I admit I would have a hard time "buying" this guy as a Bond-type, but I would like to have seen at least a rehearsal with him.
samjjones
10-14-2005, 10:44 AM
FYI...this was confirmed today by EON Productions.
http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/casinoroyale/pr/craig_bond.jpg
daveymck
10-14-2005, 11:06 AM
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i would have rather have seen Owen or Jackman do the part...i think either could have pulled it off well, this guy i dont know well but he doesnt really fit "bond" to me, but i guess we will see. Connery was the BEST of them all and always will be to me /images/graemlins/frown.gif Id still do him even today...hes one of the rare men that looks better and better as he gets older
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If Owen stayed as wooden as he did in King Arther then the Bond Franchise would be over.
I am pleased for this guy has been a hard working lower tier actor who has done a lot of good independent and TV over the last 10 years as well as the odd hollywood film.
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10-14-2005, 11:11 AM
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Timothy Dalton's portrayal (despite having two lackluster scripts to work with) was actually closest to Fleming's text. Some of Moore's Bond movies were fine (notably "The Spy Who Loved Me"), but overall, Connery's PWNS Moore, to use the popular vernacular.
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Connery and Dalton were the best for me. I thought Dalton was the most intense Bond since Connery. I did think that Brosnan was growing into the part.
This Craig guy was good but ultra-weird in Road to Perdition.
samjjones
10-14-2005, 11:16 AM
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"That's why its called ACTING"
jnalpak
10-14-2005, 11:27 AM
If you've ever seen Layer Cake you would no this guy is one cool cat in that type of role
"Im a business man, whose commodity happens to be cocaine"
CLASSIC!
Blarg
10-15-2005, 12:39 AM
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i would have rather have seen Owen or Jackman do the part...i think either could have pulled it off well, this guy i dont know well but he doesnt really fit "bond" to me, but i guess we will see. Connery was the BEST of them all and always will be to me /images/graemlins/frown.gif Id still do him even today...hes one of the rare men that looks better and better as he gets older
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If Owen stayed as wooden as he did in King Arther then the Bond Franchise would be over.
I am pleased for this guy has been a hard working lower tier actor who has done a lot of good independent and TV over the last 10 years as well as the odd hollywood film.
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I think Roger Moore proved that you don't have to be an exceptional actor to play Bond. And I think Pierce Brosnan confirmed it handily.
Blarg
10-15-2005, 12:42 AM
I liked Dalton's intensity too, and he's my favorite since Connery as well. I think this new guy could outdo him, but just from the rave reviews I've seen on him. And they'd have to write the material to suit him and let him shine. I always liked Bond to have a bit of grittiness mixed in with the polish.
ClaytonN
10-15-2005, 12:45 AM
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Gotta say, that looks pretty fkn good. Better than Brosnan. I'm only used to Brosnan FWIW in my young years.
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What? Pierce is a great actor and was awesome as Bond. The best since Connery IMO (and the opinion of almost every well respected movie critic). He has that natural charisma, wittiness and sophistocation about him - yet he still maintains a hard-edged demeanor.
I hope the new Bond won't let us down!
Blarg
10-15-2005, 05:31 AM
He seems about as hard edged as a cookie to me. He's got that Remington Steel charm about him -- that's what got him the job -- but as a threatening presence? He looks like the kids from Dude Where's My Car could be playing keep-away with his pistol until he started to cry.
I can't imagine what your standards are if Brosnan counts as a great actor.
diebitter
10-15-2005, 05:37 AM
If they wanted really-hard edged, Christain Bale woulda been the man. I've thought that ever since seeing American Psycho. But they've got a balancing act, haven't they.
They should get Tarantino to direct, I reckon.
Blarg
10-15-2005, 06:07 AM
Bale is taken for Batman, probably, for a while. They probably have options on him.
You know, I was thinking earlier on when reading this post and the other on Bond today, that Bond needed to be Tarantino'd up a bit -- funny how you came up with the same thought. Not in a schlocky way, but Bond could sure use a Christopher Walken speech type moment in one of his films for a change. He needs to be confronting someone with some more modern excitement and clever tension in the words and scariness like Tarantino does so well. Frankly, fighting Pussy Galore and Jaws and suchlike supervillains isn't very interesting and kind of wastes the franchise. Stupidizes -- can I use that word I just made up? It stupidizes the franchise.
I'd love an urban slick, scary Bond again. Yet still understated. Bond should always have a bit of threat under the surface, whether it's sexual tension, arrogance, or the feeling that something is boiling and you don't want to be in the room when it goes off.
One of the great things about Connery's Bond was, you often got the idea he was the smartest man in the room, but he often found out he wasn't. Tarantino is great at having Mexican stand-off scenes done in dialogue. We need more of that in Bond. Remember the scene back in the train in From Russia With Love when Robert Shaw, the SMERSH agent, has him on his knees and is telling him he's going to kill him, but you're not really sure what Bond's chances are? Bond seriously looks totally beaten, not just movie beaten, and like he's going to die, but he still finds a way to keep himself alive. He's got one chance to keep someone with the power of live and death over him from making the wrong decision and totally screwing him up.
Parallel Tarantino: Dennis Hopper in True Romance convinces Chris Walken to kill him, the cop in Reservoir Dogs tries out his rehearshed story on the thugs about carrying dope in the lavatory next to a bunch of cops in Reservoir Dogs; the kids try not to get shot by Sam Jackson in Pulp Fiction; Jackie Brown tries throughout that film to convince both cops and criminals of all sorts of lies under threat of imprisonment or death if she doesn't pull it off -- and in the same movie there are countless scenes with the same interpersonal dynamic.
We could really use a Bond doing some dialogue that isn't totally paint by numbers in a totally paint by numbers movie -- we need Bond in a movie you'd see just because it was a really good movie, not just because it was a Bond movie and you wanted a rehash of the same old tricks. Bond is too good a franchise to waste on crap.
private joker
10-15-2005, 06:30 AM
Tarantino already pitched one to Broccoli, and they turned him down.
Blarg
10-15-2005, 06:49 AM
That's a shame, and it's probably to his great discredit.
Broccoli is old, and has produced the worst of the Bond flicks -- and there were plenty of them -- along with the best. Most of them were closer to the worse end of the scale than the best. If anybody's gonna kill Bond, it's Broccoli.
Bond badly needs some new blood directing the overall direction of the franchise. I would have loved to see Tarantino write or direct a Bond film, even if he screwed it up.
diebitter
10-15-2005, 07:55 AM
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You know, I was thinking earlier on when reading this post and the other on Bond today, that Bond needed to be Tarantino'd up a bit...
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Great minds think alike, eh?
Very nice post, Blarg, well put and well discussed.
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