call 2 bets on turn in front of 2 pat hands

[euri10]

what do you think of my line on this hand ?
I was really surprised to see the hand of loose because he was the kind og guy to call 3-bets preflop and stay pat on the turn with a 98 in front of 2 players....
should i fold the turn here ?

Hand #8513841-7824 at La Grande ($5/$10 Triple Draw 2-7)
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Started at 11/Oct/05 12:35:52

loose is at seat 0 with $468.
playerA is at seat 1 with $237.
trickyplayer is at seat 2 with $504.
playerC is at seat 3 with $172.
euri10 is at seat 4 with $260.50.
playerB is at seat 5 with $261.
The button is at seat 0.

playerA posts the small blind of $2.
trickyplayer posts the big blind of $5.

loose: -- -- -- -- --
playerA: -- -- -- -- --
trickyplayer: -- -- -- -- --
playerC: -- -- -- -- --
euri10: 7s As 3s 3h 5s
playerB: -- -- -- -- --

First Round:

playerC raises to $10. euri10 calls. playerB
folds. loose calls. playerA folds. trickyplayer
calls.

trickyplayer takes 3 cards. playerC takes 1 card.
euri10 takes 2 cards. loose takes 2 cards.

Second Round:

loose: -- -- -- -- --
trickyplayer: -- -- -- -- --
playerC: -- -- -- -- --
euri10: 7s 3h 5s Qc 2d

trickyplayer checks. playerC bets $5. euri10 calls.
loose raises to $10. trickyplayer calls. playerC
calls. euri10 calls.

trickyplayer stands pat. playerC takes 1 card. euri10
takes 1 card. loose stands pat.

loose: -- -- -- -- --
trickyplayer: -- -- -- -- --
playerC: -- -- -- -- --
euri10: 7s 3h 5s 2d 5h

Third Round:

trickyplayer checks. playerC checks. euri10 checks.
loose bets $10. trickyplayer raises to $20.
playerC calls. euri10 calls. loose calls.


trickyplayer stands pat. playerC takes 1 card. euri10
takes 1 card. loose stands pat.

Final Round:

loose: -- -- -- -- --
trickyplayer: -- -- -- -- --
playerC: -- -- -- -- --
euri10: 7s 3h 5s 2d 6h

trickyplayer checks. playerC checks. euri10 bets $10.
loose calls. trickyplayer folds. playerC folds.




Showdown:

euri10 shows 7s 6h 5s 3h 2d.
euri10 has 7 6 5 3 2.
loose mucks cards.
(loose has 8c 6c 4d 3d 2h.)


Hand #8513841-7824 Summary:

$3 is raked from a pot of $182.
euri10 wins $179 with 7 6 5 3 2.
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[MarkGritter]

What is your reasoning for cold-calling with this hand the first round? I would just dump it, or 3-bet against a total donk to try to get it HU.

2nd round: Now that you hit your miracle two, you ought to find a raise here somewhere. I would probably just raise right away to try to get the tricky player out of the hand. Failing that, I would consider pumping it when it comes back raised to me, although your 8 outs (discounted to 6 or less) to a seven give you only a marginal edge vs. a pat hand and two other players.

3rd round: How big is the pot? I make it 8 BB at the start of the round. One bet plus a raise means you are facing 11:2 odds, more like 12:2 if loose will just call. 6:1 is probably enough to make this draw. (8 outs in 44 cards = 4.5:1, more realistically 6 outs in 40 cards = 5.7:1.) You will almost certainly get another bet at the end if you make your 7--- your pairs make it less likely somebody else has a wheel already.

But, the problem is that you may get jammed in. Paying 14:3 = 4.6:1 is marginal at best (plus it will be more likely you are up against a tough hand to beat) and 16:4 = 4:1 is looking really bad.

I think I would call here, especially if the better is loose and the tricky player knows it, since it is unlikely that the loose player has a hand he feels comfortable 3-betting (unless he is aggressive as well.) Your paired cards help a bit, too.

[dibbs]

I don't bother trying to isolate him here and fold it without thinking about it.

[timprov]

I think you have to dump this in the first round. I don't even open with it six-handed, and I'm the second-biggest LAG in this game. Having found your deuce, you absolutely have to find a raise on the second round somewhere.

I recommend changing "trickyplayer" to "donk." His line is entirely nuts.

There's no question that calling the third round is correct in my mind. It might be closer without C coldcalling in front of you, but this pot is friggin' huge and you're drawing live.

[MarkGritter]

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There's no question that calling the third round is correct in my mind. It might be closer without C coldcalling in front of you, but this pot is friggin' huge and you're drawing live.

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Duh, I didn't notice that C coldcalled, I thought he dropped out. Yes, definitely call.

[euri10]

i agree it was a very loose call preflop, playerC is on tilt I think at that time if it can explain, but I admit it was a very bad call.
I dont put a raise on second round because I thought loose was raising with a bad 9 as usual, planning to stick with it, I was wrong.
on third round Im a calling station but the pot is so huge

re reading my line actually all streets were awful and I got lucky, its good sometimes to be lucky
thanks for your interesting answers

I agree with everything mark said. You definately want to raise after the first draw once you catch your miricle 2. If he shows you that he has "a bad 9" you still want to raise. You have the best draw out of everyone and rate to win the pot more then your fair share. Calling 2 before the last draw is yucky but not that bad. Its espically fine if you pump up the pot previously.