Disrespectful?

[troymclur]

Ok, i'm curious about what you guys think about proper table etiquette. Specifically, leaving after a big hand.

I was playing with some friends last night, and after about four hours two guys decided to leave. One of them just happened to take down a big pot the hand just before they announced they're leaving. I got into an argument with the guy who lost the hand, disagreeing that the guy leaving was being rude.

My thinking is that if you sat down for a 'decent' ammount of time, you can leave whenever you want, and if your departure happens to coincide with a big hand, so be it. Its only rude if you just sat at the table, rake a huge pot then get up and leave. The difference being the latter is not letting people play poker with you while the former is merely...poker.

But in a realistic sense, its a damned cash game and you can leave whenever the hell you feel like it. There's nothing more pathetic than a grown man crying at the table like a 10 year old girl with a skinned knee. Now, who's right?

'rude' is subjective.

If you happen to think it's rude, and you don't want to be rude, then don't do it. If you don't think it's rude, and don't care about what other's think enough, go for it.

Personally, I leave when I feel like it

[HopeydaFish]

He's not obligated to hang around to give you a chance to win your money back. However, you're also not obligated to ever invite him back to your game.

[onegymrat]

Good topic. If it's a home game, and it sounds like it, there should be a set time/buy-ins that is established in the beginning. I feel it's proper etiquette to do so if it's amongst friends. Especially respect for the host. Granted, crying about it is silly and shouldn't be done. However, if it's friends just needling each other, then it's fine.

If this is a casino game, you should walk out anytime you wish. I witnessed one time a lady who sat down when a new game started. She drew the button and was dealt KK. She won a gigantic pot, and racked up right there, not even bothering to play till the big blind.

[vexvelour]

If its a home game, do what me and my friends do:

If you want to get up and leave, fine. You have to call your half-hour and play for that time, then you can get up and leave.

God has that been a profitable rule for me.

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Its only rude if you just sat at the table, rake a huge pot then get up and leave.

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I don't think this is any different from the situation you had described previously.

At a friendly home game, the standard practice is to call a half hour. This gives the remainder of the players a chance to "win their money back" or at least have, what they feel, is a fair shot at doing so. Thus, no hard feelings when you leave with all their money. On the other hand, if you just get up and leave, people will feel resentful, especially if you have just collected a lot their money. Sometimes this is excused, or at least lessened, by having to take a lift home from a player that just went bust, catching a bus, or some other real-life-related time constraint.

It wouldn't be easy to argue why this is rude while you are at the table, as doing so would highlight the necessarily "gambling" attitude of home games in general. A good host will outline the house rules as new players join, but in the absence of such rules, there's really nothing that can be said.

[bernie]

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There's nothing more pathetic than a grown man crying at the table like a 10 year old girl with a skinned knee.

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That's poker in a nutshell. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

No one is obligated to stay for any set amount of time. Your bud is just pissed because he lost. Boo effing hoo.

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Its only rude if you just sat at the table, rake a huge pot then get up and leave.

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This isn't rude, imo.

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[27offsuit]

A: you're being a little nit-like.

B: etiquette at the club I play at is "half hour notice please". Not a rule, just etiquette

[Guernica4000]

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If its a home game, do what me and my friends do:

If you want to get up and leave, fine. You have to call your half-hour and play for that time, then you can get up and leave.
God has that been a profitable rule for me.

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This is what we do too.

[The Goober]

Suppose there's a friendly home game where everyone is equally skilled and has an EV of exactly 0. (this will never happen, but its sorta the ideal for a purely recreation game among friends) Now imagine that everyone had a policy that they would leave whenever they were up one buyin (or some other set amount). Obviously no one's EV is affected, but does this increase variance? I can't figure out if it does or not.

[flecks]

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Good topic. If it's a home game, and it sounds like it, there should be a set time/buy-ins that is established in the beginning. I feel it's proper etiquette to do so if it's amongst friends. Especially respect for the host. Granted, crying about it is silly and shouldn't be done. However, if it's friends just needling each other, then it's fine.

If this is a casino game, you should walk out anytime you wish. I witnessed one time a lady who sat down when a new game started. She drew the button and was dealt KK. She won a gigantic pot, and racked up right there, not even bothering to play till the big blind.

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I agree with the above. I've seen people perform dramatic "hit and run" moves in a B&M and people get stinky about it. Who the hell cares? There's always plenty of fish in the holding tank. Home games are different and should be treated as such.

i agree entirely. Whenever playing anywhere, i always give 10-30 minute notice, specificically to avoid such situations.

[troymclur]

Well. I still think that if you've been there for an adequate ammount of time, you can then leave whenever you want. My logic is that i've given you many chances to win money, i really don't care about you 'winning your money back', the bottom line is that i put me and my stack out there for the taking, and you didn't follow through.

However, i do realize that this is really boorish and hardline, but...that's poker.

I do like the 30 minute rule, as it nullifies ANY bitching and is a suitable compromise. At the very least, maybe establishing some basic rules for the situation before hand as somebody has already suggested.

Again, though, its poker, and i have a pretty loose attitude with the whole ordeal.

[Exitonly]

Could save yourself the argument, and set up rules before hand.

either A) give 15-30 minute warning of when you're leaving
B) be able to take $X off the table each hand. Like if the blinds are 1/2, you can take $10 off each hand until you're out.

[27offsuit]

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Well. I still think that if you've been there for an adequate ammount of time, you can then leave whenever you want. My logic is that i've given you many chances to win money, i really don't care about you 'winning your money back', the bottom line is that i put me and my stack out there for the taking, and you didn't follow through.

However, i do realize that this is really boorish and hardline, but...that's poker.

I do like the 30 minute rule, as it nullifies ANY bitching and is a suitable compromise. At the very least, maybe establishing some basic rules for the situation before hand as somebody has already suggested.

Again, though, its poker, and i have a pretty loose attitude with the whole ordeal.

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I've literally seen a guy say "I'm out in 30" and then just fold for a 1/2 hour and cash out. Fine with me.

Also (and this is 100% no exaggeration), I watched a guy get back to back AA, have both pots paid off big time, and then proceeded to cash out immediately and leave. I made a point to give him a little sh*t, but he didn't really care.

Stuff like that I find not cool, but in a "Geez, you just don't get it" kind of way.

internet society is a hit and run society.