easy fold?

[pooh74]

PokerStars Game #2775549461: Tournament #13639296, Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2005/10/10 - 23:49:35 (ET)
Table '13639296 1' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: 6tours4lance (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: pooh74 (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: bjrschool (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: amundes (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: Peanocio (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: superdad101 (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: kx05rh (1500 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: qball33 (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: WHOPPERS (1500 in chips)
pooh74: posts small blind 10
bjrschool: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pooh74 [Ks As]
amundes: folds
Peanocio: raises 80 to 100
superdad101: folds
kx05rh: folds
qball33: folds
WHOPPERS: folds
6tours4lance: folds
pooh74: calls 90
bjrschool: calls 80
*** FLOP *** [6h Kh 9h]
pooh74: bets 320
bjrschool: raises 1080 to 1400 and is all-in
Peanocio: calls 1400 and is all-in
pooh74: ....

Yep. Fold it. Best Case Scenario you are up against a pair and a flush draw. Even then he may also have AK and be freerolling against you. If he has a flush, you are done. If he has two pair, you are done. If he has a pair and a flush draw, you have a much bigger skill advantage later on so no need to call a push in a near coinflip situation.

Edit: 2 people all in Even easier fold. No way you are ahead here

Fold. With two all ins in response to your bet on the flop, top pair top kicker is probably no good here. Also, I think your pot bet on the flop was too large. Anyone who calls that bet likely has you beat. I bet 2/3 of the pot on the flop and hope no one has two hearts. Re-raising all in preflop is also fun with AKs.

[pooh74]

thanks, just a sanity check. By asking this question alone it shows I have gone slightly mad! Of course I folded, just that, I was way ahead of both donkeys...heartwarming and disapointing at the same time.

PokerStars Game #2775549461: Tournament #13639296, Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2005/10/10 - 23:49:35 (ET)
Table '13639296 1' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: 6tours4lance (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: pooh74 (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: bjrschool (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: amundes (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: Peanocio (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: superdad101 (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: kx05rh (1500 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: qball33 (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: WHOPPERS (1500 in chips)
pooh74: posts small blind 10
bjrschool: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pooh74 [Ks As]
amundes: folds
Peanocio: raises 80 to 100
superdad101: folds
kx05rh: folds
qball33: folds
WHOPPERS: folds
6tours4lance: folds
pooh74: calls 90
bjrschool: calls 80
*** FLOP *** [6h Kh 9h]
pooh74: bets 320
bjrschool: raises 1080 to 1400 and is all-in
Peanocio: calls 1400 and is all-in
pooh74: folds
*** TURN *** [6h Kh 9h] [4d]
*** RIVER *** [6h Kh 9h 4d] [Ad]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bjrschool: shows [Kc Qs] (a pair of Kings)
Peanocio: shows [Ah 3d] (a pair of Aces)
Peanocio collected 3420 from pot

[Skip Brutale]

You should push on the flop! Dont give them the chance to get all-in on you!

[pooh74]

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You should push on the flop! Dont give them the chance to get all-in on you!

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Yeah, i though about that, I wanted draws to just call getting poor odds. I wouldve called 1 all in...but 2...no way.

Let me just emphasize that this result is probably a 1 in a million. first that these two hands are present, AND they both call, AND no H comes. MOst of the time I am behind facing these two AIs and I really shouldnt've posted this...irresponsible of me.

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I really shouldnt've posted this...irresponsible of me

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I think this is one thing a player who wants to improve himself should never say. It is very difficult to perfectly disect and evaluate your own play. If you have second thoughts about a hand, post it here. It is what the forum is for. I don't think someone can ever go wrong by posting a hand here, as posting it doesn't ever make a player worse. Maybe the decision is simple to other people here, but they make great people to ask about it if you have reservations about your line. I personally learn tons about my game by thinking about the rationale behind moves that I make automatically when typing out my responses.

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2 people all in Even easier fold. No way you are ahead here

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Posting the results made me look silly, oh well.

[Ogre]

what buyin was this?

[steelcmg]

why not reraise preflop. But there is no way i could push on the flop with this hand and 2 people to act after me. I think i play it the same way as u bet a decent amount and then fold to an all in by 2 players. Theres no way i couldnt put one of them on the flush.

[pooh74]

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why not reraise preflop. But there is no way i could push on the flop with this hand and 2 people to act after me. I think i play it the same way as u bet a decent amount and then fold to an all in by 2 players. Theres no way i couldnt put one of them on the flush.

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I think you're right, being in blinds and OOP, I wasnt thrilled about anything about this hand. It was early and I had no reads whatsoever. The EP raiser had me worried and I didnt want to get too involved just yet with A high preflop. Having to act first on the flop when you bumped it up 200 more preflop is never fun. But I think the BEST time to reraise preflop is WHEN you are oop, because you really want the hand to end there.

Anyway, looking back on the way the hand was played, i think I did ok...my only mess ups were not realizing what donks were invloved.

It was a 27 turbo.

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

This is a situation that I have had trouble with, but I think that the correct play is to fold. By folding you still have 1200+ left and blinds are low. Everyone on forum says don't lose your stack with TPTK at the early levels. Villain could have anything here: set, 2 pair, small flush or a pair of kings... but why risk it here...

[barry111]

Yea, this would be a fold. These games have been crazy the last couple of days, and I could not help thinking it was a lot of people from the party skins trying to adjust to the Stars structure.

i probably would have called this at $16 or lower, nearly never higher tho.

[pooh74]

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Yea, this would be a fold. These games have been crazy the last couple of days, and I could not help thinking it was a lot of people from the party skins trying to adjust to the Stars structure.

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Yeah...I guess I posted this mainly to show how shocked I was...I almost felt, ummm raped. It really surprised me to see this level play at the 27s (not that it is ever "good" per se, but always very ABC at best).

[otctrader]

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PokerStars Game #2775549461: Tournament #13639296, Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2005/10/10 - 23:49:35 (ET)
Table '13639296 1' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: 6tours4lance (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: pooh74 (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: bjrschool (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: amundes (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: Peanocio (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: superdad101 (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: kx05rh (1500 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: qball33 (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: WHOPPERS (1500 in chips)
pooh74: posts small blind 10
bjrschool: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pooh74 [Ks As]
amundes: folds
Peanocio: raises 80 to 100
superdad101: folds
kx05rh: folds
qball33: folds
WHOPPERS: folds
6tours4lance: folds
pooh74: calls 90
bjrschool: calls 80
*** FLOP *** [6h Kh 9h]
pooh74: bets 320
bjrschool: raises 1080 to 1400 and is all-in
Peanocio: calls 1400 and is all-in
pooh74: ....

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I'm not sure what information you gain by leading into the PFR here; at these limits people will draw with "any" lone heart, or you'll get pushed off the best hand by something like AhTx.

Personally I check/call a reasonable bet from the PFR and shove it in on a blank turn. If the other two get frisky before it comes back to you, drop it.

[Melchiades]

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I'm not sure what information you gain by leading into the PFR here; at these limits people will draw with "any" lone heart, or you'll get pushed off the best hand by something like AhTx.

Personally I check/call a reasonable bet from the PFR and shove it in on a blank turn. If the other two get frisky before it comes back to you, drop it.

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I like this line.

[pooh74]

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PokerStars Game #2775549461: Tournament #13639296, Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2005/10/10 - 23:49:35 (ET)
Table '13639296 1' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: 6tours4lance (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: pooh74 (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: bjrschool (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: amundes (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: Peanocio (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: superdad101 (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: kx05rh (1500 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: qball33 (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: WHOPPERS (1500 in chips)
pooh74: posts small blind 10
bjrschool: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pooh74 [Ks As]
amundes: folds
Peanocio: raises 80 to 100
superdad101: folds
kx05rh: folds
qball33: folds
WHOPPERS: folds
6tours4lance: folds
pooh74: calls 90
bjrschool: calls 80
*** FLOP *** [6h Kh 9h]
pooh74: bets 320
bjrschool: raises 1080 to 1400 and is all-in
Peanocio: calls 1400 and is all-in
pooh74: ....

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I'm not sure what information you gain by leading into the PFR here; at these limits people will draw with "any" lone heart, or you'll get pushed off the best hand by something like AhTx.

Personally I check/call a reasonable bet from the PFR and shove it in on a blank turn. If the other two get frisky before it comes back to you, drop it.

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you're right