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10-10-2005, 11:51 PM

Yankee fans are upset at their team?

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MCS

10-10-2005, 11:51 PM

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omg i hate him so much

to the idiot who said arod is better than jeter just look at the boxscore tonight. Jetter like 3 for 4 with 1 rbi Arod 0 for 4 with douches like yourself jerking off to him every night

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You know, if you want to look at the box score, why don't you look at the box scores for the entire playoff series? Thanks to Don Quijote for showing that even based on your shortsighted thinking, A-Rod is still better.

This isn't even considering that arguments based on a single baseball game are idiotic.

Again:

Jeter .380 .456
ARod .395 .583

2+2 wannabe

10-10-2005, 11:52 PM

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omg i hate him so much

to the idiot who said arod is better than jeter just look at the boxscore tonight. Jetter like 3 for 4 with 1 rbi Arod 0 for 4 with douches like yourself jerking off to him every night

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I'm sorry. You are right. Jeter is clearly better because he had a better game than AROD on October 10, 2005.

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beat me to it

where's InsufficientSampleSizeMan when you need him?

LOL on the "with douches like yourself jerking off to him every night" though hahahahaha

GuyOnTilt

10-10-2005, 11:52 PM

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what a bitch.

He just blew our chances of making the ALCS with his douchebag like play.

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Wow. Yankee fans are awesome.

GoT

ThaSaltCracka

10-10-2005, 11:52 PM

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Yankee fans are upset at their team?

[/ QUOTE ]I just hate Arod

theweatherman

10-10-2005, 11:53 PM

i second that

10-10-2005, 11:53 PM

Typical response from a typical Yankee fan.

What's funny is that your fans can't "Un-boo" randy johnson for his stellar performance tonight. He ends the season knowing that his home "fans" booed him mercilessly. But they are the "greatest fans in the world", quote Jeter.

technologic

10-10-2005, 11:54 PM

Pudge714

10-10-2005, 11:54 PM

I take it you would rather have Adam Kennedy than A-Rod as well.

Zeno

10-10-2005, 11:54 PM

How sweet it is. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

He batted, I think .143 in the post season.

-Zeno

GuyOnTilt

10-10-2005, 11:55 PM

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if it weren't for arod, we wouldn't even be in the playoffs you ungrateful son of a bitch.

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Ding!

GoT

10-10-2005, 11:56 PM

Everyone acts like Jeter turns on a switch in the playoffs.... why doesn't he have this "switch" on all year long???

Does he leave it off during the regular season? Maybe if Jeter had the switch on, the Yanks would have procured home field advantage for the entire playoffs??

Los Feliz Slim

10-10-2005, 11:56 PM

Ha ha.

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10-10-2005, 11:59 PM

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ThaSaltCracka

10-11-2005, 12:00 AM

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Yankee fans are upset at their team?

[/ QUOTE ]I just hate Arod

[/ QUOTE ]I just want to add that if he had gone 1.000 in this series I would still hate him.

SomethingClever

10-11-2005, 12:03 AM

I just wanted to join this thread/club. I couldn't care less about the Yankees or Angels though.

pokerdirty

10-11-2005, 12:07 AM

i'm torn on this subject. during the regular season, he's the MVP. he's obviously trying too hard, but wouldn't you be doing the same in his shoes? It wasn't just him, it was Sheff and Matsui too, for the 3 of them combined for a total of 3RBI. i'm sure he'll be ripped on the back pages tomorrow, and hopefully this will only make him stronger.

theweatherman

10-11-2005, 12:08 AM

thats true sheffield and matsui are also to blame. but i still hate arod

Zeno

10-11-2005, 12:25 AM

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Yankee fans are upset at their team?

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10-11-2005, 12:31 AM

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i'm torn on this subject. during the regular season, he's the MVP. he's obviously trying too hard, but wouldn't you be doing the same in his shoes? It wasn't just him, it was Sheff and Matsui too, for the 3 of them combined for a total of 3RBI. i'm sure he'll be ripped on the back pages tomorrow, and hopefully this will only make him stronger.

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Excellent point the heart of the Yankee lineup has failed to deliver both this year and the last 4 games of last yeat. It's troubling and it sucks but it happens. The guys are good players.

Perseus

10-11-2005, 12:33 AM

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what a bitch.

He just blew our chances of making the ALCS with his douchebag like play. The ONLY thing we got him for is to hit homeruns when we need them, andwhat does he do? DOUBLE PLAY!!! No wa ythis is happening. those god damn angels are now in position to win the series and advance. I hate AROD soooooooooooooooooo much, words can barely describe.

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It's a good thing that in no way did A-ROD help this team even get to the playoffs by hitting 48 home runs and batting .321 in the regular season.

Oh yeah he's also being considered for gold glove at third base.

Yeah I'm [censored] pissed right now too. I am a season ticket holder and actually have the tickets to home game 2 for the ALCS on my desk right now. But let's not go blaming one player for having a couple of bad days at the plate, ok?

Ulysses

10-11-2005, 12:38 AM

ARod rules.

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ARod rules.

pryor15

10-11-2005, 12:43 AM

i'm stunned--stunned--that arod went 0-4 in another deciding game.

did he at least hit the ball out of the infield this time? because if he did, that's progress, my friends, and you can't complain about progress.

Voltron87

10-11-2005, 12:52 AM

why are all you people calling him a bitch? why does everyone hate him?

he puts everything out there for the team, he's the MVP, the idea that he hasnt been coming through is ridiculous. the whole team doesnt play well and he gets the blame. this team sucked it up bigtime in the regular season and he is probably the biggest reason they won the division. get some perspective

craig r

10-11-2005, 12:54 AM

fair weather?

craig

ThaSaltCracka

10-11-2005, 12:56 AM

I hate him because he is a douche bag.

Voltron87

10-11-2005, 12:59 AM

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I hate him because he is a douche bag.

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how is he a douchebag? are you a yankee fan?

ThaSaltCracka

10-11-2005, 01:01 AM

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I hate him because he is a douche bag.

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how is he a douchebag? are you a yankee fan?

[/ QUOTE ]Yes, and I dislike him for dozens of reasons, none of which have anything to do with his performance tonight.

Matt Williams

10-11-2005, 01:07 AM

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why are all you people calling him a bitch? why does everyone hate him?

he puts everything out there for the team, he's the MVP, the idea that he hasnt been coming through is ridiculous. the whole team doesnt play well and he gets the blame. this team sucked it up bigtime in the regular season and he is probably the biggest reason they won the division. get some perspective

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I agree. No one is saying anything about Matsui stranding 8 runners on base tonight. What about that? Everyone says they hate A-Rod but won't say what for. Why? Like none of us would try to get the highest salary possible if we were in his position 5 years ago. He was the most liked player until he got the highest salary. I have not seen him do anything since then to suggest he doesn't warrent that money. We never hear any "A-Rod being A-Rod" stories and him not playing for a week straight in a pennent race.

Phoenix1010

10-11-2005, 01:34 AM

A-Rod had a very poor game, but as others have stated, he's the one who got us here. You can place a lot of blame for us losing the series (if Randy was able to go 7 innings in his outing, we wouldn't have even had to play a game 5), just focusing on what happened on the end is kind of stupid.

Matsui really let us down offensively today, although he had that one incredible defensive play. Sheffield wasn't much better. Bernie hits more flyouts than anyone I've ever seen, I love him for everything he's done for us in the past, but he has been a huge burden on our roster this year, and pretty much the same goes for Posada. I really hope we get rid of all of the old albatrosses this offseason. Letting Brown and Bernie go is going to be a good start.

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10-11-2005, 01:42 AM

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A-Rod had a very poor game, but as others have stated, he's the one who got us here. You can place a lot of blame for us losing the series (if Randy was able to go 7 innings in game 3, we wouldn't have even had to play a game 5), just focusing on what happened on the end is kind of stupid.

Matsui really let us down offensively today, although he had that one incredible defensive play. Sheffield wasn't much better. Bernie hits more flyouts than anyone I've ever seen, I love him for everything he's done for us in the past, but he has been a huge burden on our roster this year, and pretty much the same goes for Posada. I really hope we get rid of all of the old albatrosses this offseason. Letting Brown and Bernie go is going to be a good start.

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It looks like rotation is set next year withstanding a trade or Johnson retirement no, with Mussina, Johnson, Pavano, Wright, Wang and or Small/Chacon. A CF is probably priority and I would think either a firstbaseman or DH. Anyone know where I can get a complete list of FA's?

Jorge10

10-11-2005, 01:47 AM

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Letting Brown and Bernie go is going to be a good start.

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If Yankee fans should hate anyone it should be Kevin "The Thief" Brown. He got a huge amount of cash from the Yankees and did NOTHING. Wheres the hate for that guy?

Also how about some hate for Johnson, sure he pitched great today, but who cares no pressure, the Yankees where already down, he couldnt screw it up anymore. Wheres the hate for that guy?

Im just saying Alex Rodrigez had a bad game today, but big deal he carried the team during the season. How about some hate towards people that really deserve it?

ThaSaltCracka

10-11-2005, 01:49 AM

I also hate Kevin Brown, Randy Johnson, and Gary Sheffield. All I can really hope for is some serious changes with this team.

beset7

10-11-2005, 01:51 AM

It's all the folks here in Seattle who still burn him in effigy each night who are to blame.

But surely you haters can't have missed that NYY w/o arod = no post-season?

Phoenix1010

10-11-2005, 03:38 AM

I really really hate Kevin Brown, and I have for more than a year. I said something to the effect of "he should be run out of New York and never allowed to return" at the end of last season, and my hatred for him has only intesified after a year.

I also don't like Sheffield, Giambi, or Randy, despite what they've done for us. They're not Yankees, they're hired guns with attitudes and baggage. To be a Yankee is to carry yourself with pride, to play the right way, and to play the game with honor. There's a legacy to uphold. Of all the big guns that we've brought in, A-Rod has been the only one has conducted himself in a way befitting of the uniform, both on and off the field (that baserunning slap aside).

Jorge10

10-11-2005, 04:10 AM

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I really really hate Kevin Brown, and I have for more than a year. I said something to the effect of "he should be run out of New York and never allowed to return" at the end of last season, and my hatred for him has only intesified after a year.

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Same here, he stole a bunch of money from the dodgers over here too. He had 1 good year here and it was the year his contract was up and the bastard "got hurt" late so if they made the playoffs they wouldnt get their moneys worth, piece of garbage. I believe a law should have been passed that he could no longer come to california, but thats just me maybe.

Also I put "hurt" in quotes because his injuries are fishy. I mean back injuries one week, then something else, its not like Ken Griffey or something where you are like well damn poor guy hes really hurt. Kevin Brown injuries are like, "what hes hurt again, what his back?". Thats the usual fan reaction.

kenberman

10-11-2005, 08:13 AM

don't forget, A-Rod's a girl

http://www.bostonsportshub.com/images/arod_purse.jpg

imported_The Vibesman

10-11-2005, 08:20 AM

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Stuff like this always cracks me up.

Clarkmeister

10-11-2005, 08:24 AM

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I really really hate Kevin Brown, and I have for more than a year. I said something to the effect of "he should be run out of New York and never allowed to return" at the end of last season, and my hatred for him has only intesified after a year.

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I don't know how you can say this. It's not like the Yankees didn't know what they were getting. He had essentially sat and not played for the better part of 3-4 years IIRC. Its like Dodger fans complaining that JD Drew was hurt this year - it's like, "DUH".

SomethingClever

10-11-2005, 11:57 AM

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I hate him because he is a douche bag.

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andyfox

10-11-2005, 12:00 PM

Just 180 innings for 2001-2002 combined, but a fine year in 2003, 211 innings, 2.39 ERA. But when you trade for an old guy (see Randy Johnson) you never know what you're going to get, both health- and performance-wise.

andyfox

10-11-2005, 12:03 PM

That was a great play. He should have gotten away with it. The original ruling was no interference, the umpires had no business overruling a judgment call. And if he gets away with it, it's a great play.

All players try to cheat. Every one of them. When they know they've tried to check up but they've swung, do they start for the dugout? No, they pretend. If a baserunner knows he's out and the umpire calls him safe, does he object? Jeter "sold" a phantom swipe tag as an out the other day and everybody complimented him.

One guy goes 2 for 13 in a five-game series and people blame him for the loss? He had an OBP of .433. Where were the other guys hitting behind him? The leadoff hitter for the Yankees hit .333 with 2 home runs and 5 RBI; the #2 hitter had an OBP of .433. Where does the blame lie for not scoring more runs?

andyfox

10-11-2005, 12:10 PM

"To be a Yankee is to carry yourself with pride, to play the right way, and to play the game with honor. There's a legacy to uphold."

With all due respect: hogwash. See Babe Ruth. See Joe Dimaggio. See Mickey Mantle. See Thurman Munson. All self-centered jerks. I've been a Yankees fan for 45 years and I loved Mickey Mantle. And I love Derek Jeter. But that "pride" and "honor" stuff was 100% PR. Jeter's terrific at handling himself with the press and it shows in their reverence for him. Not that he doesn't deserve it, he's a terrific guy. But he knows how to polish his image.

The Yankees never wanted any blacks on the team, they were one of the last to integrate. And when they brought up a man who did carry himself with dignity and honor and pride (Elston Howard), his HOF manager said of him, "They have all these jungle bunnies coming here now and I gotta get the only one who can't run." Nice.

It's a business and always has been. When Ruth was done, they threw him away rather than pay him. I don't really care what Sheffield and Johnson are like because I suspect that I wouldn't have liked a lot of my heroes had the press been such as it is today without hiding all the old athletes' foibles. Give me wins and pennants and Championships and I don't care what you're like personally.

andyfox

10-11-2005, 12:13 PM

Kevin Brown is one tough dude. A jerk, by all accounts, but I wouldn't accuse him of not trying. He was always a tough hombre. He has had a chronically bad back. He's always tried to pitch through the pain. Bartolo Colon had to come out with back pain last night, and so did David Wells in a World Series game.

mrbaseball

10-11-2005, 12:45 PM

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Neon Deion /images/graemlins/smile.gif Most Yankee fans probably dom't remember this. But in a game against the White Sox Sanders hit a weak popup and didn't even run. Carlton Fisk, catching at the time, proceeded to give him a verbal lashing right there at home plate on the importance of hustle and wearing the pinstripes and being not only a professional but in particular a Yankee.

kenberman

10-11-2005, 12:47 PM

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Hi Andy,
Is that different than unpires over-ruling a disputed home run/foul ball call? I think both of those can be 'judgement calls' (particulary the foul ball instance), but that doesn't mean 1 umpire couldn't have had a better view than another umpire.

imported_The Vibesman

10-11-2005, 12:56 PM

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All self-centered jerks

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Neon Deion /images/graemlins/smile.gif Most Yankee fans probably dom't remember this. But in a game against the White Sox Sanders hit a weak popup and didn't even run. Carlton Fisk, catching at the time, proceeded to give him a verbal lashing right there at home plate on the importance of hustle and wearing the pinstripes and being not only a professional but in particular a Yankee.

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Had nothing to do with being a "Yankee." Carlton's point was that there is a right way and a wrong way to play the game and Deion was playing the wrong way. Yankees and Pinstripes had nothing to do with it. Just about being a professional.

SomethingClever

10-11-2005, 01:22 PM

Andy, I agree that A-Rod shouldn't be held accountable for the Yankees losing. In fact, it makes me laugh when people blame him for anything on the field. The guy's an incredible player.

However, he is still a d-bag of epic proportions.

ThaSaltCracka

10-11-2005, 02:24 PM

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Andy, I agree that A-Rod shouldn't be held accountable for the Yankees losing. In fact, it makes me laugh when people blame him for anything on the field. The guy's an incredible player.

However, he is still a d-bag of epic proportions.

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Uston

10-11-2005, 02:39 PM

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All self-centered jerks

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Neon Deion /images/graemlins/smile.gif Most Yankee fans probably dom't remember this. But in a game against the White Sox Sanders hit a weak popup and didn't even run. Carlton Fisk, catching at the time, proceeded to give him a verbal lashing right there at home plate on the importance of hustle and wearing the pinstripes and being not only a professional but in particular a Yankee.

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There's more to the story than this. Sanders used to draw a dollar sign in the dirt near home plate before every at-bat. Fisk told him that he's an embarrassment and Sanders responds with some nonsense about how slavery is no longer legal.

andyfox

10-11-2005, 04:34 PM

I saw Fisk talk about the incident once on a show with, IIRC, Johnny Bench and Gary Carter. I think Fisk did mention dishonoring the Yankee uniform.

andyfox

10-11-2005, 04:36 PM

Well a ball hit into the stands in fair territory isn't a judgment call, it happened or it didn't. But I'm not sure what the rules are about umpires being overruled by the crew or crew chief or another umpire. Last night, for example, Rivera was called safe at first when it looked like he was out. The replay seemed to indicate he was out as well. But I wouldn't have liked it had the call been overruled.

andyfox

10-11-2005, 04:38 PM

What incident (or incidents) leads you to consider him a d-bag? Not saying he's not, just not aware of what it is you (and others) have against him.

I imagine, BTW, that by the time he retires, he'll be regarded as one of the five greatest players of all time.

kenberman

10-11-2005, 04:43 PM

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Well a ball hit into the stands in fair territory isn't a judgment call, it happened or it didn't.

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but it's not always that clear. at Fenway, you see balls go OVER the Pesky Pole, and it's really not always 100% clear if it's a home run or not. then it becomes a judgement call.

andyfox

10-11-2005, 04:43 PM

"He just blew our chances of making the ALCS'

Didn't Mussina blow it? And what about Johnson and Gordon who pitched so terribly the night the Yankees scored seven runs? And Matsui, who left eight men on base last night. And Sheffield who popped out with men on 1st and 2nd with nobody out. And Crosby, who bumped into Sheffield. And Torre, who apparently sent Cano on a hit and run with a pitcher who was having trouble throwing strikes. And Bernie, who missed the hit and run sign. And Cano, who struck out and should have run two inches to the right of where he did. And . . .

WackityWhiz

10-11-2005, 04:44 PM

The yanks were a mediocre team all year long. They barely made the playoffs. However, when they do make the playoffs everyone just thinks they are going to run the table... cuz it's the yankees. I mean just face the facts, the yankees were nothing special this year and they showed it in the playoffs. They cannot win the big games, maybe next year will be different. My advice to all you yankee fans is to open up your eyes and realize you were cheering for an average team this year. And quit ragging on your best player who is a main reason you even played in October.

andyfox

10-11-2005, 04:46 PM

I think they only overrule a home run/non home run call when they'r "sure." Anyway, I'd be interested in what the rulebook says. I'll check it out when I can. What I do know is that they never overrule a safe/out call, or a swing/check swing call, or an infield fly call.

andyfox

10-11-2005, 04:58 PM

I found the following sections from the MLB rulebook:

Any umpire's decision which involves judgment, such as, but not limited to, whether a batted ball is fair or foul, whether a pitch is a strike or a ball, or whether a runner is safe or out, is final. No player, manager, coach or substitute shall object to any such judgment decisions.

If different decisions should be made on one play by different umpires, the umpire in chief shall call all the umpires into consultation, with no manager or player present. After consultation, the umpire in chief (unless another umpire may have been designated by the league president) shall determine which decision shall prevail, based on which umpire was in best position and which decision was most likely correct. Play shall proceed as if only the final decision had been made.

Each umpire team should work out a simple set of signals, so the proper umpire can always right a manifestly wrong decision when convinced he has made an error. If sure you got the play correctly, do not be stampeded by players' appeals to "ask the other man." If not sure, ask one of your associates. Do not carry this to extremes, be alert and get your own plays. But remember! The first requisite is to get decisions correctly. If in doubt don't hesitate to consult your associate. Umpire dignity is important but never as important as "being right."

In running the last half of the distance from home base to first base while the ball is being fielded to first base, he runs outside (to the right of) the three foot line, or inside (to the left of) the foul line and, in the umpire's judgment, interferes with the fielder taking the throw at first base, or attempting to field a batted ball; The lines marking the three foot lane are a part of that "lane" but the interpretation to be made is that a runner is required to have both feet within the three foot "lane" or on the lines marking the "lane."

I'm prety sure Cano had his left foot on the line, not to the left of it, the whole way. He jumped to the left only to touch the base. And in any event, it's not clear to me that Cano was responsible for Erstad not catching the ball.

I think I might reverse my judgment; I think the umpire might have gotten this one wrong.

kenberman

10-11-2005, 05:06 PM

I thought we were talking about A Rod /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

you're probably right about Cano. honestly, they kept showing the same weird angle, so it's hard to see. but I think Yankee fans are probably correct that the wrong call was made.

SomethingClever

10-11-2005, 05:12 PM

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What incident (or incidents) leads you to consider him a d-bag? Not saying he's not, just not aware of what it is you (and others) have against him.

I imagine, BTW, that by the time he retires, he'll be regarded as one of the five greatest players of all time.

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Most of it has to do with the way he left Seattle and Texas.

He was offered loads of money to stay in Seattle. But we know what happened instead.

Then, when Texas started sucking (which, it can be argued, was due in part to his contract), he jumped ship again.

I realize that this is the way pro athletics works these days, but to me, A-Rod is just the poster boy of ridiculous contracts and no loyalty.

His skills are above question, and he seems to keep out of trouble as well, but it would take a lot for me to ever root for him again.

andyfox

10-11-2005, 05:26 PM

"The yanks were a mediocre team all year long."

They were tied with the Angels and Red Sox for the 2nd best record in the league. They scored roughly 100 runs more than they allowed, about the same as the Angels. In a five game series, the Angel simply played a bit better and won three of the five.

"And quit ragging on your best player who is a main reason you even played in October."

Agreed.

Ulysses

10-11-2005, 05:54 PM

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ARod rules.

Look for this show on CourtTV: High Stakes with Ben Mezrich · 11:00pm: "Miami Models" - NEW! Ben Mezrich takes
you behind the scenes of Model Season in Miami

I saw this last night. One of the things he goes to is this party at a Miami mansion with like 5 or 6 billionaire guys, ARod, and 25 hot models.

ARod rules.

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You guys really need to see this show.

Voltron87

10-11-2005, 06:50 PM

andys totally right in this thread. about everything, no point in me posting. see his posts.

daryn

10-11-2005, 06:57 PM

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andys totally right in this thread. about everything, no point in me posting. see his posts.

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andyfox is usually correct and logical, but i can't believe he is saying that arod's bush-league swipe to knock the ball out of arroyo's glove last year was a "good play"

Voltron87

10-11-2005, 07:01 PM

jdl22

10-11-2005, 07:08 PM

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andys totally right in this thread. about everything, no point in me posting. see his posts.

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andyfox is usually correct and logical, but i can't believe he is saying that arod's bush-league swipe to knock the ball out of arroyo's glove last year was a "good play"

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I think it was a completely cheap move and it lowered my opinion of Rodriguez, but it was strategically a good play. Think about it, he's out if he doesn't slap at it. If the umps make the right call he's out but if they mess up he's safe. Pretty much a freeroll. It only had a slim chance of success but that's better than zero.

Los Feliz Slim

10-11-2005, 11:56 PM

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andys totally right in this thread. about everything, no point in me posting. see his posts.

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andyfox is usually correct and logical, but i can't believe he is saying that arod's bush-league swipe to knock the ball out of arroyo's glove last year was a "good play"

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If you're not cheating you're not trying, and it's not cheating if you don't get caught. A Rod WAS trying, he WAS cheating, and he got caught. Then, he did the `ol "who, me?" shoulder-shrug, which I thought made him look like a total douchebag. "What! ME? Huh?" You got busted, dumbass, now you're making it worse by insulting the intelligence of the millions of people who say it.

I can't believe any of this is still up for discussion, let alone the fact that Rodriguezz is a dbag.

EMcWilliams

10-12-2005, 01:25 AM

The regular season means nothing in Yankee land...its just a warm up. Its october that counts and that not only makes A-Rod a failure, but also inferior to Jeter

jesusarenque

10-12-2005, 01:31 AM

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Even though A-Rod has BETTER postseason numbers than Jeter? A-Rod is better than Jeter. He is better in the regular season, and he is better than the postseason. He is better than Jeter on offense, and he is better than Jeter on defense. It is not close.

Voltron87

10-12-2005, 01:33 AM

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The regular season means nothing in Yankee land...its just a warm up. Its october that counts and that not only makes A-Rod a failure, but also inferior to Jeter

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have you been paying attention at all this last season?

andyfox

10-12-2005, 12:22 PM

Jeter's post-season numbers are remarkably similar to his regular season numbers. He has played in 117 post-season games (which is remarkable in and of itself). In the regular season, his per 162 game averages:
AB: 655
R: 123
H: 206
2B: 33
3B: 5
HR: 18
RBI: 81
BB: 68
BA.: .314
OPS: .847

For the post-season per 162 games:
AB: 640
R: 112
H: 197
2B: 25
3B: 4
HR: 22
RBI: 65
BA: .307
OPS: .838

Rodriguez has played in only 31 post-season games, so extending his numbers out to 162 games is less meaningful, but A-Rod has hit .305 in post-season (compared to his regular season lifetime average of .307) and hit six home runs, which would be 31 over 162 games. He's hardly been a "failure" in post-season play.

kenberman

10-12-2005, 12:45 PM

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The regular season means nothing in Yankee land...its just a warm up. Its october that counts and that not only makes A-Rod a failure, but also inferior to Jeter

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wake up man. Yankees haven't won a World Series in 5 years, and there are how many guys on the Yankees who have won a ring wearing pinstripes? 5? (Jeter, Posada, Mariano, Bernie, + Tino?) soon to be 3 or 4, unless I'm missing someone.

I'm far from an A-Rod lover, but if you are going to hate on him for not winning a world series, you better hate on the rest of the guys as well.

btw, Yankees don't make it to October w/o Arod.

most educated baseball fans will tell you that 'clutch' is probably short term variance, or getting hot at the right time. most guys eventually come back to the mean.

if Arod's ball is hit a couple feet to the right, it goes through. 1st and 2nd instead of 2 outs. this is why greatness is measured over years, not at-bats.

andyfox

10-12-2005, 01:03 PM

"if Arod's ball is hit a couple feet to the right, it goes through. 1st and 2nd instead of 2 outs. this is why greatness is measured over years, not at-bats."

Excellent point. The next two hits, were a bloop off the handle by Giambi that fell in shallow right, and an off-the-plate topped chopper by Sheffield, who had pulled off the pitch, that happened to bounce high enough for him to beat it out. A-Rod hit the ball much more sharply.

Teams generally also revert to the mean. While the Yankees were excellent when they won their four World Series, there was certainly an element of luck involved. It's unusual to win four times in five years. Now, in the Torre era, they've won four times in ten post-season appearances. Still above average, but closer to "normal."

10-12-2005, 04:02 PM

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The regular season means nothing in Yankee land...its just a warm up. Its october that counts and that not only makes A-Rod a failure, but also inferior to Jeter

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Then maybe they shouldn't have signed A-Rod for $16M per year when he had very little previous playoff experience? Is that what you are seriously saying? That A-Rod's God-like regular season stats meant nothing to Steinbrenner? That he simply looked at his postseason stats from 2000?

lolol

sublime

10-12-2005, 05:42 PM

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Incorrect!

Arod >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> x10 Jeter

sublime

10-12-2005, 05:44 PM

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omg i hate him so much

to the idiot who said arod is better than jeter just look at the boxscore tonight. Jetter like 3 for 4 with 1 rbi Arod 0 for 4 with douches like yourself jerking off to him every night

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I'm sorry. You are right. Jeter is clearly better because he had a better game than AROD on October 10, 2005.

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If A-Rod can't produce in the post-season and Jeter can, than he is correct, in the post-season set up, Jeter > A-Rod.

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Have you actually LOOKED at A-rods post season numbers? Just wondering.

sublime

10-12-2005, 05:54 PM

Okay kids, lets see who I can piss off today!

The Yaankee front office is MORONIC for letting Jeter play SS over Arod. Arod is mucb better than the average SS (defense) and Jeter WAS much worse. Only since A-rod came aboard has Jeter become ACCEPTABLE at SS.

The playoffs ARE FLUKEY!

The Yankees were, IMO the best team going into the playoffs in the AL. Guess what? they didnt catch any breaks. Balls hit were caught, that in 99 fell in for hits. Stop bitching, and stop blaming the best player on your team for not being 'clutch' or a 'leader'. The terms were invented for Jeter, so he could match up with A-rod and Nomar back in the late 90's early 00's. THEY MEAN DICK IN BASEBALL.

Look at the Atlanta. The best run orginization in baseball the past 15 years and the have ONE championship. Be happy with the 4 in the past decade. Be VERY happy.

SomethingClever

10-12-2005, 07:53 PM

Baseball is rigged?

sublime

10-12-2005, 08:00 PM

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I have heard rumors. Hopefully Buck/McCarver/Pinella will get into it tonight.

Triumph36

10-12-2005, 09:15 PM

Two points:

1: Alex Rodriguez is now a well-above-average 3B. Jeter, OTOH, is an average SS - he's been an SS his whole career and defense has always been a problem for him. You want to move him to 3B where he'd be a total liability? The Yankees did this with Steve Sax fifteen years ago - worked brilliantly. So you'd rather have a liability at third and an above average SS, or an average SS or well above average 3B?

2: Did you see Alex Rodriguez's at bats in this series? It's time to stop looking at statistics and actually watch - at no point did he look comfortable at the plate. I do think he's taking too much blame, and the claim that he's not 'clutch' is overblown (ex: in the 7th inning, he hit an absolute rocket right at Cabrera).

This is an honest question for the statistics dogmatists - are there any studies on how sluggers do against good pitching vs. bad? Rodriguez had two or three enormous games this season which really inflate his numbers - IMO, this phenomenon is why the claim 'good pitching beats good hitting' is still around.

Jack of Arcades

10-12-2005, 09:18 PM

The biggest thing I've seen is that with RISP, as SLG goes up, BA w/RISP goes down on average. Nothing about "good pitchers vs bad pitchers" and I doubt that matters much, but I'm sure certain hitters just can't touch certain pitchers due to the matchup.

Triumph36

10-12-2005, 09:29 PM

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The biggest thing I've seen is that with RISP, as SLG goes up, BA w/RISP goes down on average. Nothing about "good pitchers vs bad pitchers" and I doubt that matters much, but I'm sure certain hitters just can't touch certain pitchers due to the matchup.

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Sorry, I don't think I made it clear - I wasn't talking about 'clutch' or RISP so much as the graph of OPS against good pitching vs. bad - if we put the x axis as ERA of opposing pitchers and the Y as OPS of a power hitter, would the slope of such a line be 1 or greater than 1? I suppose there's not enough data to make such a graph meaningful - but I'd suspect that better hitters would have a greater slope on such a line because of the nature of SLG%.

sublime

10-12-2005, 09:54 PM

Alex Rodriguez is now a well-above-average 3B. Jeter, OTOH, is an average SS - he's been an SS his whole career and defense has always been a problem for him. You want to move him to 3B where he'd be a total liability?

An 'average' SS should have NO problem moving to 3b. Also we are talking about when A-rod joined the team. Nobodt talks about the concession HE made when he went to 3B to keep DJ's ego intact.

Moving him to SS right NOW would instantly make the NYY a better team.

So you'd rather have a liability at third and an above average SS, or an average SS or well above average 3B?

Well, Jeter wouldnt be a liability at 3B. He would probablty be better, since his shortcomings would be hidden better. SS >>>>>>3B.

So while you are all whining about Arod (which baffles me) realize that EVERY single game the NYY are making a decision to decrease the teams overall effiency to appease JETER.

2: Did you see Alex Rodriguez's at bats in this series? It's time to stop looking at statistics and actually watch - at no point did he look comfortable at the plate.

who did look comfortable? Really, i want to compare the best players in MLB's comfort level to another players so I can see what you are saying. See here is the thing, his 'comfort' at the plate and every other players is translated to a statistic. I would rather have Arod at the plate, with a toothpick in his eyeball over david eckstein getting a blow job by jessica alba.

sublime

10-12-2005, 09:58 PM

by the way, i DESPISE arod.

Voltron87

10-12-2005, 10:09 PM

yeah im still uneasy about arod switching to 3rd. its just not optimal. it has worked out as well as anyone could hoped since he's playing it great (really, really well if youve watched all the games) but jeter is nowhere near the SS arod is. i dunno. i do acknowledge the change arod made, not an easy thing to do for several reasons.

no one is whining about matsui's crap playoffs. he did not show up at all. im not angry at either of them, im disappointed as all hell, but it was 5 games. they both brought it bigtime down the stretch and without either of them theres no way NYY wins the division. and im not going to trash them over 5 games. this idea that some people are clutch and can just turn it on during 3-4 games is asinine. arod hits 320, do the math. 2/3 times he fails.

Triumph36

10-12-2005, 10:18 PM

Right, just like Alex Rodriguez had 'no problem' moving to third base last season. I really have to wonder sometimes.

As for comfort, it isn't translated into a statistic - that's yet another example of ceteris paribus gone wrong - waving your hand and explaining away absolutely anything that's not immediately quantifiable. Humor is also a good attempt to distract when your argument isn't exactly solid.

I understand that the statistical dogma is attempting to change decades of baseball thinking, much of which is foolish - some managers and GMs are the kind of people who would think pocket aces always lose for them. What I don't understand is the need to dismiss intangibles or anything not immediately quantifiable as unimportant - that just appears reactionary. To me the real revolution will come when general managers are capable of combining both of these aspects - just because things like team chemistry and 'clutch' are often blown well out of proportion by the media doesn't mean they don't exist. And that's part of why you don't move Jeter to third base - to show that team loyalty and leadership actually mean something.

sublime

10-12-2005, 10:33 PM

but it was 5 games. but it was 5 games. but it was 5 games. but it was 5 games. but it was 5 games. but it was 5 games. but it was 5 games. but it was 5 games. but it was 5 games. 

This is the key. I hate to busrt peoples bubbles, but as much as we would like to think there is some huge difference between the regular season and the playoffs in baseball, there really isnt. It is NOT football, boxing or hockey, where yo can jack yourself up to a point where adreneline takes over. Its just not that type of game.

As a matter of fact, better hitters should be expected to underperform thier career regular season levels. They are facing better pitchers/shorter bullpens.

jesusarenque

10-12-2005, 10:37 PM

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Rodriguez had two or three enormous games this season which really inflate his numbers

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I guess I missed ARod's 15 homer, 25 RBI game.

Voltron87

10-12-2005, 10:40 PM

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Rodriguez had two or three enormous games this season which really inflate his numbers

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I guess I missed ARod's 15 homer, 25 RBI game.

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well there was that 3 HR 10 RBI game...

against bartolo colon, 21 game winner. a performance which locked up a W against the angels. so even if you are using that logic (which is BS) that game doesnt apply.

sublime

10-12-2005, 10:44 PM

Right, just like Alex Rodriguez had 'no problem' moving to third base last season. I really have to wonder sometimes.

He should have had a problem. How would you feel if somobody less qualified than you was doing your job? /images/graemlins/confused.gif

As for comfort, it isn't translated into a statistic - that's yet another example of ceteris paribus gone wrong - waving your hand and explaining away absolutely anything that's not immediately quantifiable. Humor is also a good attempt to distract when your argument isn't exactly solid.

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andyfox

10-13-2005, 12:30 AM

"Does he leave it off during the regular season? Maybe if Jeter had the switch on, the Yanks would have procured home field advantage for the entire playoffs??"

Jeter's post-season stats are remarkably similar to his regular season stats. And he had a fine year during the regular season, finishing 6th in the league in hitting, second in total times on base, and 6th in OBP. He was the best lead-off hitter on any of the AL play-off teams.

SomethingClever

10-13-2005, 01:27 AM

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I would rather have Arod at the plate, with a toothpick in his eyeball over david eckstein getting a blow job by jessica alba.

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That sir, is probably the finest quote I have ever read about baseball.

Phoenix1010

10-13-2005, 02:26 AM

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andys totally right in this thread. about everything, no point in me posting. see his posts.

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andyfox is usually correct and logical, but i can't believe he is saying that arod's bush-league swipe to knock the ball out of arroyo's glove last year was a "good play"

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I think it was a completely cheap move and it lowered my opinion of Rodriguez, but it was strategically a good play. Think about it, he's out if he doesn't slap at it. If the umps make the right call he's out but if they mess up he's safe. Pretty much a freeroll. It only had a slim chance of success but that's better than zero.

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Whenever people talk about this, I think of all the other stuff that goes on in sports that no one bothers to talk about. Like catchers "framing" pitches to make balls look like strikes to fool the umpire, like pitchers beaning players in the back in retaliation, and like how a baserunner runs full steam into a catcher trying to break him in half. Basically, the way I see it, you do what you can to win, and if you break the rules, let the umps/refs figure it out, especially in the heat of the moment. The fact that people latch onto this one incident as if it hurts his reputation is a joke. He got caught, it was at a pivotal moment so it got a lot of public scrutiny, but this crap happens every day. Just let it go.

10-13-2005, 11:21 AM

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andys totally right in this thread. about everything, no point in me posting. see his posts.

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andyfox is usually correct and logical, but i can't believe he is saying that arod's bush-league swipe to knock the ball out of arroyo's glove last year was a "good play"

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I think it was a completely cheap move and it lowered my opinion of Rodriguez, but it was strategically a good play. Think about it, he's out if he doesn't slap at it. If the umps make the right call he's out but if they mess up he's safe. Pretty much a freeroll. It only had a slim chance of success but that's better than zero.

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Whenever people talk about this, I think of all the other stuff that goes on in sports that no one bothers to talk about. Like catchers "framing" pitches to make balls look like strikes to fool the umpire, like pitchers beaning players in the back in retaliation, and like how a baserunner runs full steam into a catcher trying to break him in half. Basically, the way I see it, you do what you can to win, and if you break the rules, let the umps/refs figure it out, especially in the heat of the moment. The fact that people latch onto this one incident as if it hurts his reputation is a joke. He got caught, it was at a pivotal moment so it got a lot of public scrutiny, but this crap happens every day. Just let it go.

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A-Rod wears lipstick.