more dumb questions

[Happycamper374]

Do I even bother to try to take it or let him have it?

***** Hand History for Game 2858640066 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:16496892 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Monday, October 10, 23:01:11 EDT 2005
Table Table 67206 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: motomikeh ( $1175 )
Seat 2: kelekaaukele ( $750 )
Seat 3: Corey1017 ( $665 )
Seat 5: jaydes ( $725 )
Seat 6: Lothar374 ( $1360 )
Seat 7: Tgwynne ( $1350 )
Seat 8: NutDangler ( $715 )
Seat 9: domaister ( $570 )
Seat 10: BernieFish ( $690 )
Trny:16496892 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Lothar374 [ 9s Ts ]
Tgwynne folds.
NutDangler folds.
domaister calls [30].
BernieFish folds.
motomikeh folds.
kelekaaukele folds.
Corey1017 folds.
jaydes calls [15].
Lothar374 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Td, Qc, 5c ]
jaydes bets [35].


And this one...good or bad?

**** Hand History for Game 2858648593 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:16496892 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Monday, October 10, 23:02:41 EDT 2005
Table Table 67206 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: motomikeh ( $1265 )
Seat 2: kelekaaukele ( $795 )
Seat 3: Corey1017 ( $665 )
Seat 5: jaydes ( $785 )
Seat 6: Lothar374 ( $1315 )
Seat 7: Tgwynne ( $1290 )
Seat 8: NutDangler ( $685 )
Seat 9: domaister ( $510 )
Seat 10: BernieFish ( $690 )
Trny:16496892 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Lothar374 [ Ks Ah ]
>You have options at Table 67986 Table!.
BernieFish folds.
motomikeh folds.
kelekaaukele calls [50].
Corey1017 folds.
jaydes folds.
Lothar374 calls [50].
Tgwynne folds.
NutDangler folds.
domaister checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kd, 3h, 6h ]
domaister bets [100].
kelekaaukele folds.
Lothar374 raises [275].
domaister raises [350].
Lothar374 raises [350].

[splashpot]

Hand 1: fold
Hand 2: why bother with the min-raising, just push

[Skip Brutale]

I dont like your line with hand 1. What I like to do is check to him to get him to bluff, then raise really big. This lets the whole table know you arent to be messed with, and protects your hand.

Hand 2 I like your play! You have top pair, dont let them get away PUSH!!

[Happycamper374]

I ended up folding in hand one because I've been taking a beating early on trying to play too much "poker" with guys who aren't quite reading into it as much as me. Thanks for the input.

[BDarch]

I would say hand 2 is definately a raise preflop

[splashpot]

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I would say hand 1 is definately a raise preflop

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Are you on crack?

[BDarch]

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I would say hand 1 is definately a raise preflop

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Are you on crack?

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lol oops meant hand 2

[Happycamper374]

I've started to experiment with limping AK from various positions because I've found that continuation style bets have lost me lots of money. If I miss, I'm out. If I hit, well, then my hand is disguised.

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I've started to experiment with limping AK from various positions because I've found that continuation style bets have lost me lots of money. If I miss, I'm out. If I hit, well, then my hand is disguised.

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Problem is, AK plays way better heads up or against two callers than against a field of limpers. Sure, your hand is disguised, but so is the BB's 92 that flopped two pair and is going to own your chips.

[Slim Pickens]

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I've started to experiment with limping AK from various positions because I dislike money.

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fyp

Always raise AK preflop in the 22's. It's much harder to play it postflop after not having raised for as much profit as you make raising preflop.

[Happycamper374]

yeah, that too. I guess I'm willing to take that risk. And its not a habit, its just a once in a while thing, especially when I'm involved in a hand elsewhere and dont want to take the time raise and deal with a flop.

[Happycamper374]

Ok point taken, i respect your posts. I'm raisin' from now on.

[Bluff Daddy]

and 2 im raising to 125-150 everytime

[ilya]

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I've started to experiment with limping AK from various positions because I've found that continuation style bets have lost me lots of money. If I miss, I'm out. If I hit, well, then my hand is disguised.

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Just cos you have AK doesn't mean you have to c-bet the flop.

[ilya]

Hand 1, with the limper yet to act behind you, I would just fold. If you were HU with the SB, you could call planning to hit your outs and/or see what happens on the turn.

Hand 2, raise preflop....make it 150-200. Flop is fine, I think.

[Slim Pickens]

Don't forget that as long as you get 2+ callers of your 3BB raise, you've made your Sklansky-dollars back right there. With only one caller, you still rate to be ahead most of the times you miss the flop because your opponent will have also missed.

This post by adanthar is probably the key to playing AK.
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Here's a fun game you can play with betting impetus in your head:

Suppose your raise preflop means you will always bet postflop.

1)What implied odds are you giving the lone coldcaller of your raise to call it?
2)If you are a fan of the HoH2 probe bet vs. continuation bet distinction, how much information are you leaking about your hand in connection with that bet size? (this one has been awesome online lately)

Now, suppose that, on any harmless looking flop, you check no matter what your hand, and your opponent, a LAG who likes to play lots of pots, has the impetus.

1)If you are him, attempt to balance a bet size sufficient to get overcards out of the hand with one that he can still fold when you have aces and checkraise, coupled with the times that you have either of those two and just call.
2)When you give up on #1 being at all profitable in the overall flow of the hand, describe the implied odds of that LAG's PF floater call with J9o.

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