Has anybody figured out the house edge in party bj?

[Nicholasp27]

i'm wondering what the edge is with the rules they employ

[tonypaladino]

http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/house-edge-calculator.html

[alimomoney]

The dealer hitting soft 17 is quite a difference! Naturally Party hits soft 17

What difference does it make what the house edge is? If you want to lose your money on blackjack, or make stupidly huge bets and hope to win big or go bust, a .5% edge and a 1% edge are about the same to you.

[NLfool]

wait a second you are going to play blackjack with a continuous shuffle each hand, on the internet against a company that can act without answering to anyone? I mean if there was ever a situation for party to rig something blackjack would be it. Oh BTW I lost 5 bills the first night Paradise had blackjack (and it was fishy, there would be really long pauses (like the program was thinking) when I had larger amounts of money. Go try it for yourself.

[Uglyowl]

Unless Party offers me a bonus there, NO WAY.

[winky51]

They have no reason to cheat. They cheat you lose more then why would you play. Sucking the money out of you slowly is always best with a legit advantage

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I mean if there was ever a situation for party to rig something blackjack would be it.

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I've whored many casinos with much worse reps than Party and I had no worries about the bj game being rigged.

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Oh BTW I lost 5 bills the first night Paradise had blackjack

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Oh, BTW, you're an idiot.

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(and it was fishy, there would be really long pauses (like the program was thinking) when I had larger amounts of money. Go try it for yourself.

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Yeah, no one could be able to program rigged software to act fast. If it's rigged, it would have to pause and think about how it should make you lose.

Oh, BTW, you're an idiot.

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[frizzfreeling]

I believe party states that they go 1/10th into an 8 deck before reshuffling. Dont currently have my PBA program downloaded, but im guessing with the 1-200 spread they allow and a level 1 count, you could eek out some. But, then again, using kelly criterion, it would probably take a rather large BR. Anybody got PBA and can run the stats for me????

[MicroBob]

1. I don't see it being very realistic to get any kind of edge when they only deal less than 1 deck of an 8-deck shoe.
Maybe if you spread 1-40 or so and were willing to deal with some REALLY high freaking variance.

But I don't even think this would work.
You would need a running-count of +16 after a half-deck just to get to a true-count that would approach break-even.
How often will you have a RC of +16 after the first 26 cards?
By that time it's almost time to shuffle again anyway.
I just don't think it can be profitable with such short penetration.


2. Do you even get to know when they actually shuffle? Obviously this would be necessary too.


3. To the original poster. Without looking up anything...I would guess that an 8-deck 'mostly' continuous-shuffle game with S17 has a house-advantage in the 1.5% range.

[cardcounter0]

Answers: it is either .61% or .73% depending on if you can double after split, which I haven't seen clearly stated in the rules. This assumes you are playing perfect basic strategy, which you aren't.

And even if you could spread 1:1000, you can't beat this game with such extremely bad penetration. You would be better off putting your bankroll in a savings account earning 1% interest.

[stigmata]

There's a thread (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=3619013&page=0&view=colla psed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1) in Other Gambling about the same. I attempted to run some sims, but don't really know what I'm doing. This was my results:

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I'm no blackjack expect so take this with a pinch of salt. I put your settings through BlackJack Audit. However, it would only let me do a 1-99 bet spread. This was using a Uston Advanced P/M counting system. It resulted in 0.5 % house edge. However, I got a lower house edge (0.3%) using a standard spread, so I could have made a mistake. Without counting, the house edge came out at around 0.6%.

With 10% penetration, we get a count of 2 exactly 0.022% of the time!!!


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[stigmata]

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2. Do you even get to know when they actually shuffle? Obviously this would be necessary too.

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I guess you could keep getting up after you saw 41 cards, and then sit down again.... At least you would lose your money slower /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[CORed]

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i'm wondering what the edge is with the rules they employ

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As long as there is a house edge, I don't care much whether it's 0.3% or 0.5%. I'm not playing a single hand unless there's a bonus that will make it +EV. I tried, without much success, to beat casino blackjack a few years ago (mostly my fault: I played crappy games, overtipped, and had no bankroll management). I'm damned if I'll donate to Party in an unbeatable game. The flop color side bet isn't getting a dime of my money, either.

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I believe party states that they go 1/10th into an 8 deck before reshuffling. Dont currently have my PBA program downloaded, but im guessing with the 1-200 spread they allow and a level 1 count, you could eek out some. But, then again, using kelly criterion, it would probably take a rather large BR. Anybody got PBA and can run the stats for me????

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It might be theoretically beatable, but the risk of ruin would be unacceptable with any reasonable bankroll. You would be making $1 -EV bets for hours, then make one or 2 $200 bets with a very small edge. Besides, I'm pretty sure that they give no indication of when they shuffle the deck, which means it might as well be shuffled after every hand because you have no way of knowing when to start your count.