View Full Version : Line that left me unfulfilled.
lapoker17
10-10-2005, 09:11 PM
5/10. 400 max. live game in la.
rock ($1200) in CO open raises to 40 - 2nd time hes raised in 2 hours.
I ($1600) call in SB w K /images/graemlins/spade.gif K /images/graemlins/club.gif
Flop K /images/graemlins/diamond.gif T /images/graemlins/club.gif 8 /images/graemlins/club.gif
I check, he bets $75, I call.
Turn 3 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
I bet $150, he calls.
River 2 /images/graemlins/spade.gif
I bet $350. He calls.
Better way to get more money in anyone? C/R turn was a thought - but I could feel a check behind coming - anyone check turn, c/r river? I thought about check raising the flop, hoping he reads flush draw, but I really didn't want to lose him.
He says he had AA - which is what I thought during the hand, but I didn't see his cards - so please respond as if we know he has aa all along. And don't tell me to fold PF.
Meh, he is a rock, how much more could you get? You could go for the turn check/call, river huge bet when the club doesn't hit. But too much involved there, probability of club not hitting and killing your action, rock actually thinking about the game and not being afraid to snap off a huge bluff, plus it's also dependent on your image which probably isn't that wild, etc...so I think this line is fine.
You could also lead all 3 streets ( you probably get an extra $100 or so). I don't think a rock bets this river if you check to him.
scdavis0
10-10-2005, 09:16 PM
I'd also play it like he had AA.
Why not check-raise the flop? It's a draw heavy board, and I'm sure he thinks there are plenty of hands that can check-raise that flop and be trailing AA.
After that I'd check the turn like a scared trick and let him protect his hand. Call this bet, hope for a blank river, and make a pot sized bet. If river is scary for him, then sell your hand for as much as you think you can get.
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rock ($1200)
I ($1600)
And don't tell me to fold PF.
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As poor as some of the advice is on this forum from time to time, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that NOBODY would tell you to fold preflop...
Check-raise the flop. He's not folding AA/AK when you do.
ML4L
flawless_victory
10-10-2005, 09:20 PM
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[Check-raise the flop. He's not folding AA/AK when you do.
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[Check-raise the flop. He's not folding AA/AK when you do.
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Yeah, he might. Except for the fact that: he won't.
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lapoker17
10-10-2005, 09:22 PM
i know - it was a joke (sort of).
rocks scare easy - i was afraid to c/r flop.
the thing is - wtf does my line look like to him - if im going to just call the flop, i think it looks like clubs, so i maybe should've c/r turn instead as he has to bet to protect aa?
i don't know.
scdavis0
10-10-2005, 09:24 PM
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[Check-raise the flop. He's not folding AA/AK when you do.
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If that's the case the way to get this guy's money is clearly not to flop a set when he has aces, but rather to raise anytime he doesn't have the nuts.
Don't rocks wait for a hand to bet? CR the flop. You should get his stack unless he's a paranoid rock that sees monsters.
flawless_victory
10-10-2005, 09:30 PM
i think you played this hand well.
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i know - it was a joke (sort of).
rocks scare easy - i was afraid to c/r flop.
the thing is - wtf does my line look like to him - if im going to just call the flop, i think it looks like clubs, so i maybe should've c/r turn instead as he has to bet to protect aa?
i don't know.
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Rocks do scare easily. Which is why you need to get some money in before the board gets uglier. This also will let you win more on the turn/river when they come blank as they did.
Rocks don't play many starting hands. But, that doesn't mean that they automatically fold to any aggression. In fact, there is one species of rock who actually gets stubborn postflop and won't let big pairs go.
And, if he folds to the flop check-raise, there is NO way that he calls a turn check-raise. So, if you think he'll fold to the flop check-raise, what you did is probably fine.
But, IMHO, you're getting called on the flop, like, every time when you check-raise.
ML4L
CamelZoo
10-10-2005, 09:44 PM
I agree that he's getting his flop c/r called all day long, but I'd worry that rock will most likely fold to any agression on turn. I think la did as well as possible (got 1.5 buyins from rock) in this hand.
DyessMan89
10-10-2005, 10:21 PM
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i think you played this hand well.
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Same here. You "might" have gotten less with another line, you "might" have gotten more, but I think this is the most trusted one.
TheWorstPlayer
10-10-2005, 10:23 PM
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Rocks do scare easily.
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Really? I thought the classic rock scene was that they wait so long to get a playable hand that they will never let it go postflop. So the other guy flops a set and everyone at the table knows it and the rock loses his stack still clutching his precious aces. No? I check/raise this flop. Most likely he 3-bets.
kagame
10-10-2005, 10:57 PM
i like leading the flop or check raising the turn more than check raising the flop
Percula
10-10-2005, 11:00 PM
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i know - it was a joke (sort of).
rocks scare easy - i was afraid to c/r flop.
the thing is - wtf does my line look like to him - if im going to just call the flop, i think it looks like clubs, so i maybe should've c/r turn instead as he has to bet to protect aa?
i don't know.
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What is your image on the table? If you look tight, why not lead the flop for a pot sized bet (representing AK) and hope to three bet AI to a raise?
Maybe I am off here, but wouldn't most rocks try to get it AI on a K high flop thinking they finally got AA and now they are going to rake a monster pot?
To me you line looks like a scared AK or more like a pair smaller than the K.
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