Quads

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$200/$100K on Paradise

Paradise Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t6490)
Hero (t3375)
BB (t2530)
UTG (t10295)
UTG+1 (t2650)
MP1 (t5887)
MP2 (t1740)
MP3 (t9035)
CO (t1400)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif. Hero posts a blind of t100.
UTG calls t200, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls t200, MP3 calls t200, CO calls t200, Button calls t200, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t1400) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets t200</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 calls t200, CO folds, Button folds, Hero calls t200, BB folds.

Turn: (t2000) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets t360</font>, MP3 calls t360, Hero calls t360.

River: (t3080) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets t200</font>, MP3 calls t200, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1200</font>, UTG folds, MP3 calls t1000.

Final Pot: t5680

[willie]

i'd probably open push the river.....

i'd hate to lose one any bet by checking the river, some villain will step up more than likely.

Fold preflop. bet flop, check turn, push river.

[nath]

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i'd probably open push the river.....

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if you take that line i'd like a small check-raise on the turn to drag more money into the pot for people to call a river push.
that really depends on whether your opponents are thinking players or not. are they smart enough to see a small raise as quads? if you raised more would it work better? just pick something that makes it more likely to get it all in on the river. in your position i'd raise the turn as your call closes the action and you're first to act, so you can't be sure of getting any more money into the pot. so make the turn like 800-1000 to go, then lead the river.

[XXXNoahXXX]

fold preflop when he's in the SB with 5 callers beforehand? why?

[nath]

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Fold preflop.

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Seriously? He's getting 13:1 odds.

[nath]

Here's another thought: What about check-raising the flop? You only have trips at that point and there's a flush draw out; easy for someone to have it in a large multiway pot for a min-bet. If you raise that you can probably lead the turn-- I think a PP will come with you, because why would you bet out quads?

because it's J8o and will likely get raised by the bb because of all the limpers. Easy fold PF&gt;!

serouslily. Who cares about odds. He/She has a garbage hand o.p.p.

[XXXNoahXXX]

It costs him 100 chips to call into a pot thats already 1300 deep. You call for trips, quads, two pair, or straight potential. Are you being sarcastic, and who were you before you got banned?

[XXXNoahXXX]

And why is BB raising?

[betgo]

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serouslily. Who cares about odds. He/She has a garbage hand o.p.p.

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I was calling hoping to make quads. Look at the return I got on my investment, and I didn't even play it right.

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serouslily. Who cares about odds. He/She has a garbage hand o.p.p.

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I was calling hoping to make quads. Look at the return I got on my investment, and I didn't even play it right.

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and how didn't you play it right? There is no right or wrong way to play this hand.

I was "twolf" before I got banned so I added a ".".

[betgo]

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I was "twolf" before I got banned so I added a ".".

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If you let everyone know this, aren't you going to be banned again?

What did you get banned for?

sorry missed your second post. Because raising all in to get the limpers money is standard practice in these tournies.

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If you let everyone know this, aren't you going to be banned again?

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For what, making a new name and announcing I did so. Give me a break.

I started a thread with the title "[censored] you" and said "thanks for listening in the thread" awesome, aye? Somehow I think they knew why I did it and they knew they made me upset so they banned me. boohoo.

[LethalRose]

with your stack i just push the river, mp3 isnt going anywhere and he has called down the entire hand and a few draws got there. I think you did fine trying to keep as many ppl in the hand as possible, id play it very similiar.

and whoever folds here must hate money.

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If you let everyone know this, aren't you going to be banned again?

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For what, making a new name and announcing I did so. Give me a break.

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Uh, I think the pont of a ban is to ban people, not handles.

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I hate checking flop. The pot is huge, there's a flush-draw out, and there are 6 other players in. That said, I'm not sure how much to bet; I think I like ~t600.

IMHO, turn and river are read dependent on whoever calls. Against a good opponent, I hate checking turn because he wouldn't put you on a bluff into 6 players, and a 2 or small PP would bet here to protect hand against a flush draw which is now just 1/2 overs. So, I have to bet 1/2 pot or so on turn and river. Against a donkish opponent, I check turn and push river.

[XXXNoahXXX]

When you're in the BB and 6 limpers have come in front of you, what range are you pushing here? How often did one of the initial limpers do so in order to reraise a later position raiser or slowplay? It is common to push into limpers and steal, but 6 limpers? If you play this weak-tight that your folding 100 into a 1300 pot because you "know" the BB will push, I want to be at your table. Worst case scenario he does push and you lose an extra 100 chips from a 3K+ stack. Best case scenario you hit quads on the turn.

[betgo]

I don't understand why you were banned.

[XXXNoahXXX]

maybe they saw the advice he posted and were just looking for a good excuse like him using obscenity. folding here, brilliant...

[MeanGreenTT]

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What did you get banned for?

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Giving chitty advice /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[JustPlayingSmart]

If you check/call the flop, I think you should lead the turn. I definitely wouldn't wait for the river to check/raise, just in case it gets checked around.

I would probably lead the flop in this spot. With all these limpers (especially a UTG limper) you may be able to win a nice pot from an overpair. In fact, if he did have a big pocket pair, if you lead flop and turn, he may raise on the turn, thinking his overpair has to be good.

Plus, if you bet out here, when you do this in a 3 handed pot with a draw or air, you have a little more credibility.

[betgo]

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If you check/call the flop, I think you should lead the turn. I definitely wouldn't wait for the river to check/raise, just in case it gets checked around.

I would probably lead the flop in this spot. With all these limpers (especially a UTG limper) you may be able to win a nice pot from an overpair. In fact, if he did have a big pocket pair, if you lead flop and turn, he may raise on the turn, thinking his overpair has to be good.

Plus, if you bet out here, when you do this in a 3 handed pot with a draw or air, you have a little more credibility.

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On a 288 board in a limped pot, it is not clear anyone has anything. It is wishful thinking that UTG has a big pair and a big pair should make a significant bet on this flop. I could put pressure on a possible flush draw.

With the board 2888, I didn't think anyone had anything. If someone had an overpair, there would be more action. I was following Super System's advice to slow play a boat or quads to the river.

I probably should have checkraised the turn. Being in the blinds, it would be hard to put me on an overpair. I doubt they would think a small checkraise from the blinds was obviously quads and fold.

The guy in the hijack seat who called me down had 77 for 8s full on a 2888J board. I am pretty sure UTG had overcards.

I don't think this is a hand you want to play fast, although I could have played it faster than I did.