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10-09-2005, 02:38 PM

What are your thoughts (Party 2-4 Game):

I have pocket tens in mid position and raise pre-flop. Five players see the flop.

Flop: K 5 9 (rainbow)

Two players check to me, I bet, three call.

Turn: 2

Two players check to me, I bet, two call.

River: 7

Two players check to me, I bet, one player calls.

I lose to K-3os.

Not this exact hand, but many like this seem to happen to me. Am I being to aggressive with middle pair.

Shaggy

jason_t

10-09-2005, 02:46 PM

Nice hand.

chopchoi

10-09-2005, 03:04 PM

The river bet is marginal against 2 opponents. I don't know if you're ahead more than half the times you get called, but it's close

JDErickson

10-09-2005, 03:56 PM

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The river bet is marginal against 2 opponents. I don't know if you're ahead more than half the times you get called, but it's close

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No its not. Not on Party 2/4

Played fine. Idiots win sometimes

10-09-2005, 04:17 PM

c/f the flop. With 5 people seeing the flop, one of them has a king. And if you bet the flop and get two callers, c/f the turn. I can almost guarentee you one of them has a king and is not letting go.

private joker

10-09-2005, 04:19 PM

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c/f the flop. With 5 people seeing the flop, one of them has a king. And if you bet the flop and get two callers, c/f the turn. I can almost guarentee you one of them has a king and is not letting go.

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Solid_p

10-09-2005, 05:44 PM

10-09-2005, 05:53 PM

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c/f the flop. With 5 people seeing the flop, one of them has a king. And if you bet the flop and get two callers, c/f the turn. I can almost guarentee you one of them has a king and is not letting go.

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This is small stakes HE, right? Am I missing something? If you insist on making the CB on the flop, then fine. But getting two callers, I assure you that one of them has the king and in SSHE, they're probably not letting go of even K-3. Why does this seem so outrageous?

Walker

10-09-2005, 06:25 PM

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...I can almost guarentee you one of them has two cards...

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fixed your post

jason_t

10-09-2005, 06:28 PM

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter (http://www.pokerhand.org)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero raises, 3 folds, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (11.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, Button folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, UTG folds, UTG+2 calls.

River: (9.25 BB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, UTG+2 calls.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ts Td (one pair, tens).
UTG+2 has Ah Js (high card, ace).
Outcome: Hero wins 11.75 BB. 

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (7 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter (http://www.pokerhand.org)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif. UTG posts a blind of $2.
UTG (poster) checks, MP1 calls, Hero raises, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (14 SB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (7 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (7 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, UTG folds, MP1 folds.

River: (13.50 BB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 16.50 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Tc Ts (one pair, tens).
Button has Ks 2d (one pair, twos).
SB has 7d 7s (one pair, sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins 16.50 BB. 

Yeah, sometimes they have it. But you're leaving money on the table by playing so weak in these situations. It's all about board texture, feel and reads.

lighterjobs

10-09-2005, 08:06 PM

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c/f the flop. With 5 people seeing the flop, one of them has a king. And if you bet the flop and get two callers, c/f the turn. I can almost guarentee you one of them has a king and is not letting go.

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This is small stakes HE, right? Am I missing something? If you insist on making the CB on the flop, then fine. But getting two callers, I assure you that one of them has the king and in SSHE, they're probably not letting go of even K-3. Why does this seem so outrageous?

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