Party is brilliant

[Petomane]

As one who makes a living at online poker, I'm glad the rakeback is gone and all the players who depended on it also gone. Good riddance. Goodbye. Adios. We won't miss you and your little racket.

The sidebet and BJ, as annoying as they are, will draw more fish. In case anyone hasn't noticed there's been an influx of bad players on Party in the past few weeks and now there might be a flood of them.

Can't wait for the roulette and craps icons.

[Online247]

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As one who makes a living at online poker, I'm glad the rakeback is gone

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As one who makes a living at online poker, I'm glad the rakeback is gone and all the players who depended on it also gone. Good riddance. Goodbye. Adios. We won't miss you and your little racket.

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Explain???

[TomHimself]

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As one who makes a living at online poker, I'm glad the rakeback is gone

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[Guthrie]

Yeah, give me more buttons to lure the fish away from poker and encourage them to give their money directly to Party without me getting any of it.

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I am incredibly short-sighted and hate money

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[Uglyowl]

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will draw more fish.

Can't wait for the roulette and craps icons.

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Huh? You are wrong!

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As one who makes a living at online poker, I'm glad the rakeback is gone and all the players who depended on it also gone. Good riddance. Goodbye. Adios. We won't miss you and your little racket.

The sidebet and BJ, as annoying as they are, will draw more fish. In case anyone hasn't noticed there's been an influx of bad players on Party in the past few weeks and now there might be a flood of them.

Can't wait for the roulette and craps icons.

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You must make a terrific living.

[stocktrader23]

To those saying he is wrong, you don't know what you are talking about. If party starts actively seeking out the gamblers the tables will be looser than ever. Just look at all the poker rooms that were added to pure gambling or sports betting sites and compare the fishiness. Pacific is my favorite place to play because of this even with their 1 table at a time an horrible software.

[Greg J]

Pacific is thought to have the fishiest games for similar reasons. My initial reaction is that this is will hurt the poker games. All the recreational gamblers that are not all that good will blow thier money at BJ instead of giving it to me. If this Party casino thing works well though, I can see how it could lead to more poor players though. So there is an argument to be made for this point. For the time being though, I'm thinking this will just allow poor players to loose thier money faster playing these side bets. In the long run, if the casino aspect attracts more "-EV and don't care" gambler types, you are probably right.

[MicroBob]

Some of the BJ players (and flop side-bet players) will get lucky sometimes and make a little profit.
They'll get cocky and then take it to the poker-tables and play above the limit they might normally play.
"I've won big at the side-bet thing. Let's try to double-up again at 15/30." (something like that anyway).


I think we see players like this all the time at Pacific...as well as at sports-betting sites like Bodog (not sure about Paradise).

I would play on Bodog with some guy who would brag about having won '2 dimes' on Duke or Syracuse or whoever....then play like an idiot at the poker-table...and then say he was off to go bet another basketball game and would bring it back to the poker-table after the game.

Obviously if he loses the sports-bet then his chances of retruning to play poker are not very high.
But when guys like this win they sometimes will tend to play like maniacs.



I'm not convinced that the BJ tables on party (nor the side-bet) are bad things.
I don't know if they'll be as good as I'm hoping either (there is concern that the fish will just bust-out faster of course).
I really don't know either way but can see some possibilities.



There are plenty of crappy EV games and sports-betting opportunities in live casinos too...and it doesn't seem like it's TOO detrimental for live poker.


(then again, California poker....without as many other gambling options...is known to be VERY loose...while Vegas poker might be a little bit tighter)

The hope is that party starts advertising their blackjack games and brings in lots of clueless gamblers, who see no difference between sitting at a blackjack table and hoping to get lucky and sitting at a poker table and hoping for luck.

[Isura]

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who see no difference between sitting at a blackjack table and hoping to get lucky and sitting at a poker table and hoping for luck.

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What's the difference?

[me454555]

The avg pro/semipro puts in 30k hands/month. Thats much more than the avg fish puts in. Party gets paid by the # of hands played and not by skill level of the player. If these pros/semipros go elsewhere, thats a lot of lost $$ for party. I hope they can see this

[obsidian]

I'm not dependant on it but the extra $24,000 a year sure comes in handy. I'll manage without it of course. There are other networks with just as bad of players. Why is it that players like yourself must feel the need to make a topic with the sole purpose of being an [censored]?

[Petomane]

So sad you lost your $24,000 income. Now maybe some of that money will come to me. Rakeback should've never existed - it was WRONG. Now that players are flooding in on their own, no need to pay you forever, is there? Now that the playing field is level, you whine?

And why does everyone assume that blackjack will suck the money out of poker and not vice versa?

[Scuba Chuck]

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To those saying he is wrong, you don't know what you are talking about. If party starts actively seeking out the gamblers the tables will be looser than ever. Just look at all the poker rooms that were added to pure gambling or sports betting sites and compare the fishiness. Pacific is my favorite place to play because of this even with their 1 table at a time an horrible software.

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I have to concur. I think a lot of the alternative sites make their niche by providing other games. Those who want to play BJ aren't out there blowing their money on poker. But, those who do play BJ, may be interested in a SNG or other poker game as a respit from their normal BJ grind.

[ihardlyknowher]

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The avg pro/semipro puts in 30k hands/month. Thats much more than the avg fish puts in. Party gets paid by the # of hands played and not by skill level of the player. If these pros/semipros go elsewhere, thats a lot of lost $$ for party. I hope they can see this

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But this $$ has to come from somewhere. By definition, a pro takes $ from the system, he does not add it.

[Jman28]

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So sad you lost your $24,000 income. Now maybe some of that money will come to me. Rakeback should've never existed - it was WRONG. Now that players are flooding in on their own, no need to pay you forever, is there? Now that the playing field is level, you whine?

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I've never read anything posted by you not contained in this thread, but I'm sure that you have terrible logic and reasoning skills.*

*(That was the nicest way I knew how to say that you are dumb)

[Voltron87]

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Rakeback should've never existed - it was WRONG.

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no need to pay you forever, is there? Now that the playing field is level, you whine?

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c'mon dont be ridiculous

[obsidian]

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So sad you lost your $24,000 income. Now maybe some of that money will come to me. Rakeback should've never existed - it was WRONG. Now that players are flooding in on their own, no need to pay you forever, is there? Now that the playing field is level, you whine?

And why does everyone assume that blackjack will suck the money out of poker and not vice versa?

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I also make party about $8000/month by playing on their site. Rakeback is simply a discount I got which I sure as hell deserved considering how much money I made them.

[Jimbo]

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So sad you lost your $24,000 income. Now maybe some of that money will come to me. Rakeback should've never existed - it was WRONG. Now that players are flooding in on their own, no need to pay you forever, is there? Now that the playing field is level, you whine?

And why does everyone assume that blackjack will suck the money out of poker and not vice versa?

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I also make party about $8000/month by playing on their site. Rakeback is simply a discount I got which I sure as hell deserved considering how much money I made them.

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Deserve? Aparrently not since you will no longer get it. I think want is a better word.

[MyTurn2Raise]

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So sad you lost your $24,000 income. Now maybe some of that money will come to me. Rakeback should've never existed - it was WRONG. Now that players are flooding in on their own, no need to pay you forever, is there? Now that the playing field is level, you whine?


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frequent customers/suppliers get discounts in nearly every business venture. Why should poker be any different? We DO help supply party with more games. Did you notice how far down the player numbers were today?

Our business is valuable and party should compete to maintain it. One very effective method is discounts. My 4000 hands per day help generate alot of rake, even at the smaller limits. (IMO, multi-tablers are very important because their presence creates more tables for rake in an amplification process.) I just recently switched over to party due to rakebacks. Would they like me to leave?

[Jimbo]

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frequent customers/suppliers get discounts in nearly every business venture. Why should poker be any different?

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Because in a normal business everyone is eligible for the volume discount. Many people signed up before rakeback was available so were not being treated equally. That didn't seem to bother anyone at all. Now that it is more equal people are cring a river.