The day the music died?

[AleoMagus]

Party has 14,000 logged in right now
Empire only has 4,800

Tables aren't matching up...
Could this mean what I think it does.
Blackjack in the Party lobby doesn't make me too thrilled either

Regards
Brad S

Yeah, I think it means what you think it does :/

[AleoMagus]

Can apparently 8-table through party now.

Regards
Brad S

[SCfuji]

good lord, no.

[raptor517]

@()$#%)@*( WHAT?!?!??!?!?!?????? I NEED DETAILS. holla

I noticed that as well...not happy.

[beset7]

party has been down all day

its still regularly at 50K+

[otctrader]

Hopefully this isn't the truth, but now that you can run 8 tables through Party you have to wonder. I'm somewhat surprised the big affiliates didn't know anything about something this huge though - anyone hear from them?

[ QUOTE ]
party has been down all day

its still regularly at 50K+

[/ QUOTE ]

No, what it means is Party is now separate from the skins.

Which is bad because the games on the skins will presumably be much worse. So 12302038098023984 tablers probably won't be too happy.

[SCfuji]

it looks like party is definitely independent now. empire and eurobet have the same player count. can others on intertops and multipoker con firm?

fuji

[ QUOTE ]
it looks like party is definitely independent now. empire and eurobet have the same player count. can others on intertops and multipoker con firm?

fuji

[/ QUOTE ]

Empire and Multi are synching up for me.

[bmxreed36]

[ QUOTE ]
it looks like party is definitely independent now. empire and eurobet have the same player count. can others on intertops and multipoker con firm?

fuji

[/ QUOTE ]


multipoker has the same number as eurobet

[raptor517]

im gonna go jump off a bridge. /endlife

[Messy_Jesse]

This is serious [censored].

[pearljam]

Party does not have rakeback right?

[SCfuji]

im just gonna have to work harder to find free cash. bonus whoring sounds good to me.

[faquewdikhed]

[ QUOTE ]
Party does not have rakeback right?

[/ QUOTE ]

bingo

[SCfuji]

they do, its just 0%

[beset7]

omg you are right the skins are seperate

this is very very very bad news. rakeback has saved my ass more times then i can count.

[bugstud]

[ QUOTE ]
im gonna go jump off a bridge. /endlife

[/ QUOTE ]

running onto the strip while throwing 100s looks like a winner to me. omfg.

oh...god no...please

[pearljam]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Party does not have rakeback right?

[/ QUOTE ]

bingo

[/ QUOTE ]

I am going to SCKM if this is what is up, seriously, I dont want to get a job.

[billyjex]

i have been opening some 10/20 6-max tables on party and then a skin

on a skin the tables are almost all 25/15/2 TAGs. not one fish on a table.

on party the tables are mostly 40/10/1.5 guys, some 55/3/.8 guys, and maybe a semi-TAG here and there.

[censored].

[mike28]

Raptor51786: THE WORLD IS OVER
Raptor51786: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=3617183&page=0&view=colla psed&sb=5&o=365&fpart=1
woodrowpitcher28: wtf
woodrowpitcher28: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOO


yeah i'm just kinda staring at my screen right now.

what the hell do we do

[Shilly]

Jesus, they are ruthlessly [censored] greedy. Way to piss off your regulars...

[microbet]

Play on Stars. If they lose people, they will have to lower their rake, which would be even better than rakeback.

[ QUOTE ]
what the hell do we do

[/ QUOTE ]

I guess we'll have to earn to play poker

yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

[2005]

[ QUOTE ]
Jesus, they are ruthlessly [censored] greedy. Way to piss off your regulars...

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't post in this forum, but this is correct. This is quite possibly the worst day in poker history.

[mike28]

Yeah my plans went from ordering 2 more fps's to buying a book on limit and calling harvard back.

oh boy oh boy

[pokerdirty]

did they add a mac download? /endprayer

We need to get organized. This really cuts down our (my) income potential.

[AleoMagus]

[ QUOTE ]
This is quite possibly the worst day in poker history.

[/ QUOTE ]

Just think how you'd feel if you owned a peice of Empire

Regards
Brad S

[pearljam]

Ok, I have a new plan that doesnt involve killing myself, make an account on stars and play 25+2 turbos until the end of time. [censored] party

[TruFloridaGator]

Yeah...good thing I have been practicing & playing the turbos lately. /images/graemlins/blush.gif

[eastbay]

I'm not fully following the trauma here. Is the assumption that the skins have more skilled players who sought rakeback deals?

eastbay

[Hornacek]

FACK FACK FACK FACK FACK

[Deuce2High]

There goes 40/hour in rakeback lol

[Hornacek]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm not fully following the trauma here. Is the assumption that the skins have more skilled players who sought rakeback deals?

eastbay

[/ QUOTE ]

yes. the fish are only accessible via no rakeback.

[pooh74]

[ QUOTE ]
Yeah...good thing I have been practicing & playing the turbos lately. /images/graemlins/blush.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Jesus...for every trout, please bring 5 fish with yas? This isnt fair...y'all stay where ya belong.

[Nicholasp27]

yes, party does have rb

just not publicly

[Ogre]

I feel bad for the people who depend on party as their primary income

[raptor517]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm not fully following the trauma here. Is the assumption that the skins have more skilled players who sought rakeback deals?

eastbay

[/ QUOTE ]

dont you see? the skins will COLLAPSE. to anyone that does any kind of affiliate stuff they are SCREWED. i just lost 6 figures. holla

[KingMedicine]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm not fully following the trauma here. Is the assumption that the skins have more skilled players who sought rakeback deals?

eastbay

[/ QUOTE ]

yes. how many people do you think sign onto multipoker to play SNGs who arent 8, 12, 16, 20 tabling them? the good players multi-table in mass quantity and play at the skins for the rakeback and access to party fish -- except now they arent going to be playing the party fish, theyll be playing the 8 other pros and the 1 multipoker fish.

eurobet and intertops will be around for a while b/c theyre tied to major sportsbooks/casinos, but i think this is going to be goodbye to multipoker's company and, before long, empire too.

[KingMedicine]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I'm not fully following the trauma here. Is the assumption that the skins have more skilled players who sought rakeback deals?

eastbay

[/ QUOTE ]

dont you see? the skins will COLLAPSE. to anyone that does any kind of affiliate stuff they are SCREWED. i just lost 6 figures. holla

[/ QUOTE ]

yes, the affiliates that make their money from party skins are done.

[AleoMagus]

[ QUOTE ]
Ok, I have a new plan that doesnt involve killing myself, make an account on stars and play 25+2 turbos until the end of time. [censored] party

[/ QUOTE ]

LOL. Stars just allowed 8 tabling, or so I just read in the Zoo. Crazy day in the online poker world

Regards
Brad S

[Daliman]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I'm not fully following the trauma here. Is the assumption that the skins have more skilled players who sought rakeback deals?

eastbay

[/ QUOTE ]

dont you see? the skins will COLLAPSE. to anyone that does any kind of affiliate stuff they are SCREWED. i just lost 6 figures. holla

[/ QUOTE ]
/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[faquewdikhed]

Here's another thing they added...

A [censored] sidebet bar on the left of the screen.

You gotta be kidding me. This is garbage.

[The Yugoslavian]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Ok, I have a new plan that doesnt involve killing myself, make an account on stars and play 25+2 turbos until the end of time. [censored] party

[/ QUOTE ]

LOL. Stars just allowed 8 tabling, or so I just read in the Zoo. Crazy day in the online poker world

Regards
Brad S

[/ QUOTE ]

Hasn't Stars allowed 8 tabling for quite a while?

Yugoslav

[TruFloridaGator]

Believe so...

[pooh74]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Ok, I have a new plan that doesnt involve killing myself, make an account on stars and play 25+2 turbos until the end of time. [censored] party

[/ QUOTE ]

LOL. Stars just allowed 8 tabling, or so I just read in the Zoo. Crazy day in the online poker world

Regards
Brad S

[/ QUOTE ]

Hasn't Stars allowed 8 tabling for quite a while?

Yugoslav

[/ QUOTE ]

? yes...

[AleoMagus]

lol - shows how long it's been since I played there

Regards
Brad S

edit- oh, just checked. Apparently it has been 8 tourneys for a while, but only 5 ring games. The switch to 8 ring games being allowed just happened.

[lacky]

well, 5 figures. I just got back from buying a "new to me" car for 10k, so I've just suffered a 35Kish downturn, and didnt even play a hand. Interesting job. Might have to go back to playing more mtt's. On the plus side, it will remove the breakeven, play for rakeback players from the games. Might make up for some of the loss.

Steve

Nooo. Has chicken little really come home to roost? It's Black Saturday.

And I'd just set up my first two rakeback accounts last month. But as bad as I feel, I really feel for you very high-volume high-limit guys. Hope it all doesn't end up being as bad as it seems. This too shall pass. We hope.

[eastbay]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I'm not fully following the trauma here. Is the assumption that the skins have more skilled players who sought rakeback deals?

eastbay

[/ QUOTE ]

dont you see? the skins will COLLAPSE. to anyone that does any kind of affiliate stuff they are SCREWED. i just lost 6 figures. holla

[/ QUOTE ]

Is that so certain? I know 2+2ers use the skins for that purpose, but is that their entire clientele? It looks like they were carrying a full 25% of the load.

eastbay

[DMBFan23]

[ QUOTE ]
Party has 14,000 logged in right now
Empire only has 4,800

Tables aren't matching up...
Could this mean what I think it does.
Blackjack in the Party lobby doesn't make me too thrilled either

Regards
Brad S

[/ QUOTE ]

does anyone have an OFFICIAL word on any of this? We may be getting ahead of ourselves. call me optimistic.

[Sykes]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Ok, I have a new plan that doesnt involve killing myself, make an account on stars and play 25+2 turbos until the end of time. [censored] party

[/ QUOTE ]

LOL. Stars just allowed 8 tabling, or so I just read in the Zoo. Crazy day in the online poker world

Regards
Brad S

[/ QUOTE ]

Hasn't Stars allowed 8 tabling for quite a while?

Yugoslav

[/ QUOTE ]

no, max was 5 before.

[Paxosmotic]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Party has 14,000 logged in right now
Empire only has 4,800

Tables aren't matching up...
Could this mean what I think it does.
Blackjack in the Party lobby doesn't make me too thrilled either

Regards
Brad S

[/ QUOTE ]

does anyone have an OFFICIAL word on any of this? We may be getting ahead of ourselves. call me optimistic.

[/ QUOTE ]
Yeah really, for all we know this is just a whoops. Let's all take two breaths and stop being so dramatic. And if it is true, looks like a lot of break even people around here are going to have to learn winning poker instead of depending on rakeback.

[mike28]

Party has under the table rackback

at like 24%

Still losing like 2gs a month

[Paxosmotic]

[ QUOTE ]
Party has under the table rackback

at like 24%

Still losing like 2gs a month

[/ QUOTE ]
Care to share for the rest of us how to get a little rakeback action?

[nyc999]

I don't know if this is for real:

Technical Issue (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=3617930&page=0&view=colla psed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1)

[Nicholasp27]

not publicly, but u can get 25-26%

[suited_ace]

I just sent an e-mail to Empire's support asking what's going on. Usually they take a few hours to respond, so if someone w/ a VIP account could do the same, please do.

[TheNoodleMan]

FWIW I just heard this from my affiliate:
In the absence of a news accouncement of any sort and with the other technical difficulties lately, and because of the liability issues a change of this magnitude opens Party up to with stockholders, the odds are very good this is a technical issue. I'm waiting to hear back from my empire contact, keep an eye on the news page here for further developments.

[mike28]

[ QUOTE ]
FWIW I just heard this from my affiliate:
In the absence of a news accouncement of any sort and with the other technical difficulties lately, and because of the liability issues a change of this magnitude opens Party up to with stockholders, the odds are very good this is a technical issue. I'm waiting to hear back from my empire contact, keep an eye on the news page here for further developments.

[/ QUOTE ]

please please please please

[stanzee]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
FWIW I just heard this from my affiliate:
In the absence of a news accouncement of any sort and with the other technical difficulties lately, and because of the liability issues a change of this magnitude opens Party up to with stockholders, the odds are very good this is a technical issue. I'm waiting to hear back from my empire contact, keep an eye on the news page here for further developments.

[/ QUOTE ]

please please please please

[/ QUOTE ]

Actually this make sense. Party gaming are a listed company on the london stock exchange, and i'm pretty sure they have to publicly announce any major business changes. Whether not announcing this would be breaking the rules, i'm not 100% sure.

[flyingmoose]

From a business standpoint, this could really hurt online poker. The suits from the skins and their stockholders will be publicized and Party -- the biggest online poker room -- will be all over the news having done something shady. People might start to have more skepticism of online poker rooms, shrinking the casual player base. For this reason I REALLY hope it's just a technical issue.

From a poker standpoint this does suck, but rakeback only constitutes like 1/7th of my SnG income, and about 0% of my MTT income. It's far from the end of online poker (at least for me).

[ZeroPointMachine]

I wouldn't panic yet. The MTT are still missing from Party and Empire. Clearly they are still sorting out some technical issues.

[fnord_too]

[ QUOTE ]
I don't know if this is for real:

Technical Issue (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=3617930&page=0&view=colla psed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1)

[/ QUOTE ]

That looks pretty real. Party just can't void contracts with skins, especially now that they are a publicly traded company. It sucks that I probably have to x out real entries in my books, and that I really wanted to get in some serious STTs today.

Two more things:
The party client updated, empire did not.
Now we see that skins make up about 25% of party's user base.

Edit - reading Mike O'Mally's post, perhaps I am mistaken. That looks bad.

[valenzuela]

Im already 6tabling the 6,5 turbos...

I am blatently a noob here, someone explain what a rakeback actually is?

I havent really dived much into Online poker and when i do i stick to SnG and MTT's, i dont think i can handle 4 tables at once making plays vs. players let alone the 8+ you guys are talking about.

[Nicholasp27]

if u join a 10/1 tournament, that 1 is rake...we get 25% of that rake back

for people who play 1234 games/day that adds up to a lot

Ok, i was confusing this with the Rake, from ring games, or can you get that back as well, thanks for the response btw.

[suited_ace]

RIP rakeback (http://www.partygaming.com/images/new_platform_launch_08_10_05.pdf)

[Nicholasp27]

yes, u can get 25% of ring game rake back as well

Oh ok, so i wasnt that far off, just a tad confused at its complete application.

[Guthrie]

I signed up at Empire for RB last week and just got adjusted to the sngs. Now I'm back at Stars just to find a game.

[Isura]

This (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=3618556&page=0&view=colla psed&sb=5&o=2&fpart=all&vc=1) thread in the zoo has more info.

On a side note, party now allows 10 tables.

[Sykes]

[ QUOTE ]
This (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=3618556&page=0&view=colla psed&sb=5&o=2&fpart=all&vc=1) thread in the zoo has more info.

On a side note, party now allows 10 tables.

[/ QUOTE ]

Amazingly funny that party now allows 10 tables when most of the people that 4+ table recieve rakeback

[Isura]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
This (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=3618556&page=0&view=colla psed&sb=5&o=2&fpart=all&vc=1) thread in the zoo has more info.

On a side note, party now allows 10 tables.

[/ QUOTE ]

Amazingly funny that party now allows 10 tables when most of the people that 4+ table recieve rakeback

[/ QUOTE ]

Ironic indeed (especially since it looks like the skins are stuck with the old software).

Im freaking out with everyone else on this thread. Is it final that we can open 10 tables max? Its for sure not a technical problem right, I'm still holding on. Im so freaked out about the limit on tables than the rakeback, probably cuz im a noob.

My thoughts go out to the hard core pros,
Brian

[brimstone1]

heh, I've already emptied my two skin accounts.
perhaps [hopefully] I have acted in haste

[Mr_J]

Can I get some current #s on party vs skins??

As long as most of the fish are at party, or find their way there then I like what has happened.

[Hendricks433]

Looks like Party might succesfully be forming a Monopoly. Theyre the Microsoft of Online Poker now. They should have at least kept the rake down a little. They really trying to bring in the money I guess. Greedy Bastards. I was just about to head over to Empire with rakeback but I guess Ill jsut stay at Stars for now and see what happens.

[hardinda]

[ QUOTE ]
Can I get some current #s on party vs skins??

As long as most of the fish are at party, or find their way there then I like what has happened.

[/ QUOTE ]

Party is running at about 38,600
Skins are running around 6,800

[Mr_J]

Thx. It'll be interesting to see how high the numbers rise when alot rakebackers move back to party.

Something I've always wondered is if they treated each account as another person online, so if they had 5000 people on with 2 accounts they treat that as 10000...

"Theyre the Microsoft of Online Poker now"

Not really, looks like stars might be king now.

[AA suited]

oh please please let this be a technical issue. and that after it's fixed the party player pool will be whole again.

and if it is a techical glitch, then that means once it's fixed, we can 10 table the skins as well!

[Slim Pickens]

This is f-ing awesome. My return, even including the rakeback loss just went way up. Quit twiddling your thumbs and start fishing, dorks.

[Scuba Chuck]

I'm serious. Quit worrying about rakeback. If you're a breakeven player, then you've got plenty to learn. End of story. How often do we talk about ROI in terms of including rb? Never. I still and always considered it a bonus. It sucks to lose, but oh well. In the meantime, we should be bitching about them lowering their rake.

[Boolean]

I'm afraid it's over. At least if I read it correctly.

http://www.partygaming.com/images/new_platform_launch_08_10_05.pdf

[ QUOTE ]

Following today’s move, PartyPoker players will now play on their own private tables and benefit from a number of new and exciting products that are exclusive to the new platform.


[/ QUOTE ]

Take of it what you will.. But this means that Empire et al will be getting the side-bets plus blackjack as well. Gag for me.

-Boolean

[Scuba Chuck]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm serious. Quit worrying about rakeback. If you're a breakeven player, then you've got plenty to learn. End of story. How often do we talk about ROI in terms of including rb? Never. I still and always considered it a bonus. It sucks to lose, but oh well. In the meantime, we should be bitching about them lowering their rake.

[/ QUOTE ]

I should add, I was so f.ing close to the Royal Fluch club though. Now I'm pissed!

[Isura]

[ QUOTE ]


Take of it what you will.. But this means that Empire et al will be getting the side-bets plus blackjack as well. Gag for me.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think you misread. I'm pretty sure Empire and the other affiliates will continue to use the old software, and the blackjack and side-bets etc are unique to party.

[Newt_Buggs]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I'm serious. Quit worrying about rakeback. If you're a breakeven player, then you've got plenty to learn. End of story. How often do we talk about ROI in terms of including rb? Never. I still and always considered it a bonus. It sucks to lose, but oh well. In the meantime, we should be bitching about them lowering their rake.

[/ QUOTE ]

I should add, I was so f.ing close to the Royal Fluch club though. Now I'm pissed!

[/ QUOTE ]
luckily the RFC already sent me a TV /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Jman28]

I hate Party Poker as much as I hate Nazis, slavery, and every girl on MTV's 'My Super Sweet 16'. I really hope that I can find a place to play that is as profitable as Party Poker is because I don't want to give them my money. They have never attempted to do anything other than make more money. They have no desire to please their customers.

Also, the sidebet and BJ things need to go, fast.

[censored] Party Poker. in the ass. hard.

[Karak567]

Guys this really isn't that bad.

A bird told me that we will be getting rakeback on Party.

It was a bird I trust, a lot.

We'll see, don't take my word for it.

[ace_in_the_hole]

[ QUOTE ]
Guys this really isn't that bad.

A bird told me that we will be getting rakeback on Party.

It was a bird I trust, a lot.

We'll see, don't take my word for it.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don;t think it is even possible unless you ahve never had an account with them and even then I don;t think it is possible ATM. But I am a glass-half-empty kinda guy. I'm hoping for the best, untill then I am enjoying the 10 tabling and lots o fish. There also seems to be a shortage of super multitablers must be that a bunch of them are running around in circles thinking about the $50k-$100k that they would surely have made in 2006. I am missing out on 1k+/month but I am still going to be able to clear 4-6k a month without rakeback. I got my cake but I guess now I won't eat it as much of it.

[TheNoodleMan]

[ QUOTE ]
Guys this really isn't that bad.

A bird told me that we will be getting rakeback on Party.

It was a bird I trust, a lot.

We'll see, don't take my word for it.

[/ QUOTE ]
sounds like we have the same affiliate, but I'm not as convinced as you.

[jeffraider]

Oh well, it's not like I was depending on rakeback anyways. I'm actually excited to maybe have to switch sites over to stars or full tilt.

[Mr_J]

You guys can do what you want, I'll still be 12tabling with rakeback.

i also heard about this thru a friend....but he explained it to me and it sounded pretty complicated.....involving pt scrn shots and proof of hands and some other time consuming tedius work........and of course its not even close to true yet.........

[Sciolist]

Not in cash games, just tournaments

[adanthar]

For the record, if you really really REALLY need rakeback, you can follow these four simple steps:

Step 1: Legally change your name
Step 2: Open a new bank account in your new name
Step 3: New account (you can be your own affiliate with your old name + sign other people up occasionally, or, trust somebody else)
Step 4: Profit

Granted, this'll take forever, but it'll work.

how much would u get back as an affailate......would u play under the new account or old one

[MegaBet]

[ QUOTE ]
yes, party does have rb

just not publicly

[/ QUOTE ]

How do we go about getting it?

[Sabrazack]

I suggest you go to the Rakeback/affiliates forum and check it out.

[MegaBet]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I'm not fully following the trauma here. Is the assumption that the skins have more skilled players who sought rakeback deals?

eastbay

[/ QUOTE ]

dont you see? the skins will COLLAPSE. to anyone that does any kind of affiliate stuff they are SCREWED. i just lost 6 figures. holla

[/ QUOTE ]

Time to cash out your bankroll from the affiliates!

[splashpot]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Guys this really isn't that bad.

A bird told me that we will be getting rakeback on Party.

It was a bird I trust, a lot.

We'll see, don't take my word for it.

[/ QUOTE ]
sounds like we have the same affiliate, but I'm not as convinced as you.

[/ QUOTE ]
Craig says it will be available. He's hopeful about giving it to people with existing accounts, but he's not promising anything. It does look hopeful though. Link (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=3621812&page=0&view=c ollapsed&sb=5&o=&vc=1)

[lorinda]

I think many people are not considering what Party appear to be trying to do with the $$ for points bonus.

I'm aware that for some people it was terrible, but for me it worked out at 18% rakeback for the month if I play $11s or $22s and I think it was a shade over 12% at the $55s.

I think it's worth remembering that this was a trial month and that there's a (please God) chance that they will tune it up to be better next month.

Mix that with ten-tabling and there is the potential for this to end up okay.

Lori

[Cactus Jack]

[ QUOTE ]
...there is the potential for this to end up okay.

Lori

[/ QUOTE ]

Which actually would be too bad. I have no idea what Party is up to, I mean really up to, but it doesn't appear like it's something that will be good for anybody but Party.

They've screwed over the skins. They're syphoning off money with the blackjack and sidebets. (I noticed the BJ button on PokerNow last week, btw, but didn't put any thought into it.) They're going to find many other ways to remove money out of the poker economy. I can just see no way that what has happened will turn out okay for anybody but Party. I can come up with a lot of scenarios, but none of them are good. Like sex, it was good while it lasted.

CJ

[MegaBet]

Is anyone else having trouble cashing out of Eurobet? I keep getting "Transaction Unsuccessful" when trying to move my funds from POKER to SPORTS.

[lorinda]

I think there was a huge thread about it in the zoo. I didn't open it however, so it may not be about what it looks like it was about.

Lori

[lorinda]

I just looked. The first ten posts are saying the same thing.

Lori

[MegaBet]

Thanks Lori, I must have missed it.

[Ryendal]

My once comment about what happen at party is this. The PartyPoker Boss is stupid in many ways. No respect of customers ( how they don't care about us, how they bannish so easily their customers for pokerprophecy use ( this soft is a real joke )).
How they act so agressively in business, exceeding the limits of ethics, behaving like a young go-getter.

I can only guess an accident for Partypoker for the next months at least ...

[Scuba Chuck]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
...there is the potential for this to end up okay.

Lori

[/ QUOTE ]

Which actually would be too bad. I have no idea what Party is up to, I mean really up to, but it doesn't appear like it's something that will be good for anybody but Party.

They've screwed over the skins. They're syphoning off money with the blackjack and sidebets. (I noticed the BJ button on PokerNow last week, btw, but didn't put any thought into it.) They're going to find many other ways to remove money out of the poker economy. I can just see no way that what has happened will turn out okay for anybody but Party. I can come up with a lot of scenarios, but none of them are good. Like sex, it was good while it lasted.

CJ

[/ QUOTE ]

Cactus, I seriously think you need to reconsider your dim BJ predictions. IMO, adding BJ seriously helps, not hurts. Think about it some more.

[MegaBet]

This is what I'll be doing for the next few days or the next week until all this confusion blows over:

http://www.tightpoker.com/bonus/

This will probably help my post-flop game anyway.

[Sciolist]

I'm not sure I agree here. Can you share your reasoning? As far as I can see, it makes tilting players lose money. That's fine, but they lose money out of the poker economy instead of to other players who're likely going to lose it eventually too.

[johnnybeef]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
...there is the potential for this to end up okay.

Lori

[/ QUOTE ]

Which actually would be too bad. I have no idea what Party is up to, I mean really up to, but it doesn't appear like it's something that will be good for anybody but Party.

They've screwed over the skins. They're syphoning off money with the blackjack and sidebets. (I noticed the BJ button on PokerNow last week, btw, but didn't put any thought into it.) They're going to find many other ways to remove money out of the poker economy. I can just see no way that what has happened will turn out okay for anybody but Party. I can come up with a lot of scenarios, but none of them are good. Like sex, it was good while it lasted.

CJ

[/ QUOTE ]

Cactus, I seriously think you need to reconsider your dim BJ predictions. IMO, adding BJ seriously helps, not hurts. Think about it some more.

[/ QUOTE ]

Unless there is a massive influx of online blackjack players that all of a sudden want to try their luck at poker all of a sudden, you are wrong Scuba.

[Degen]

[ QUOTE ]

[censored] Party Poker. in the ass. hard.

[/ QUOTE ]

[Phil Van Sexton]

[ QUOTE ]
I hate Party Poker as much as I hate Nazis, slavery, and every girl on MTV's 'My Super Sweet 16'. I really hope that I can find a place to play that is as profitable as Party Poker is because I don't want to give them my money. They have never attempted to do anything other than make more money. They have no desire to please their customers.

Also, the sidebet and BJ things need to go, fast.

[censored] Party Poker. in the ass. hard.

[/ QUOTE ]


I know this is going to cost you guys a lot of money, but it's just business. They are in the business to make money, just like me and you. You would dump party in a second if you could make more money elsewhere, but if they come back with a good deal, you'll come back right back. They are no better or worse than us.

They have an obligation to their shareholders to maximize profits just like any other company. It's not personal. You could argue that these moves are bad for their business, but we'll have to wait and see. PokerStars doesn't offer rakeback, and nobody is complaining about their policies.

They offered rakeback for a while, realized it was a terrible idea, and then changed it. I'm just suprised that it took this long.

[lem45216]

I think what i'll do is get a friend to open an affiliate account. Then start a new account under my dad's name and sign up through the affiliate, and have 12.5% rakeback.

[Scuba Chuck]

[ QUOTE ]
Unless there is a massive influx of online blackjack players that all of a sudden want to try their luck at poker all of a sudden, you are wrong Scuba.

[/ QUOTE ]

The tone of your response feels like you are intent in getting into some sort of flaming war. If this is your tactic, here is my comeback. Unless you think that the massive influx of online poker players all of a sudden want to quit poker to play BJ, you are wrong.

Come on. Think. Online BJ has already been around, as well as sportsbetting. So, to the part time gamblers (poker, BJ or other), they've always had to leave party and go elsewhere. So the BJ and sportsbetting sites opened up poker rooms. So, the part time gamblers have no reason to go back to party, why not just have one account?

This is part of the larger scheme of things. Consolidation is looming.

Finally, I think it's important to note here. Most of the chicken littles, and those who are responding with negative tones over this topic are mostly college kids. Over and over, I see a lot of negativity from the college kid population. Perhaps you guys can take some solace from those who are taking this event with a different perspective. Be patient, I'm certain things will turn out fine, and I think, likely better. (This is not a forcast for the long run, but more short to medium term. In the long run, I'm certain the poker craze will eventually slow down.)

[Cactus Jack]

Anyone who is depending on Party to start offering rakebacks my be sorely disappointed.

I played Empire because they had rakeback and Party didn't. How much we can't know, but much of the skins' base was probably those with rakeback. I cannot see how the skins would agree to the changes if Party now offered rakeback, which would further decimate the skins' base. It makes no logical sense. Much of this makes no logical sense, but certainly Party offering rakeback would finish off the skins.

The fallout from all this may be huge. It no doubt will be interesting. It's already been entertaining.

CJ

[ QUOTE ]
I think many people are not considering what Party appear to be trying to do with the $$ for points bonus.

I'm aware that for some people it was terrible, but for me it worked out at 18% rakeback for the month if I play $11s or $22s and I think it was a shade over 12% at the $55s.

I think it's worth remembering that this was a trial month and that there's a (please God) chance that they will tune it up to be better next month.

Mix that with ten-tabling and there is the potential for this to end up okay.

Lori

[/ QUOTE ]

This is a fantastic point Lorinda. Though Party's player rewards system leaves a LOT to be desired (e.g. I haven't gotten some merchandise I ordered 6+ months ago) there appears to be at least a marginal effort on their behalf to compensate those who are loyal to the site. If you can average about 15% equivalent rakeback on Party's points for cash program, though it's a drop from the 26% most of us are used to, it's certainly better than nothing.

[MegaBet]

...and chat has been turned off if you bust out...

[Cactus Jack]

[ QUOTE ]
...and chat has been turned off if you bust out...

[/ QUOTE ]

Now that is an improvement. No more being called a [censored] and other vile stuff when you beat someone's ass. Almost makes it all worthwhile. Not. Hey, wait a minute! You think it's bad. You still want to call me a [censored]!

j/k

[MegaBet]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
...and chat has been turned off if you bust out...

[/ QUOTE ]

Now that is an improvement. No more being called a [censored] and other vile stuff when you beat someone's ass. Almost makes it all worthwhile. Not. Hey, wait a minute! You think it's bad. You still want to call me a [censored]!

j/k

[/ QUOTE ]

It won't affect me much, I never bust out /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[ QUOTE ]
They have never attempted to do anything other than make more money.

[/ QUOTE ]Isn't that the same thing most all poker players do? Especially the ones complaining about lack of rakeback?

[benfranklin]

[ QUOTE ]
Is anyone else having trouble cashing out of Eurobet? I keep getting "Transaction Unsuccessful" when trying to move my funds from POKER to SPORTS.

[/ QUOTE ]

Someone in the Zoo posted an e-mail from Euro saying that all cashouts are frozen because of "technical problems", and they will resume Monday.

[sng-sam]

I emailed my rakeback provider to say WTF do you know anything about what's happening? their reply below

[ QUOTE ]
Hi!

We are not sure what will happen, but all the skins from Partypoker are now
in one network. 30% of all the customers at Partypoker actually comes from
skins, so this network will stay alive.

If this is how it's going to be now, we will give some good offers to those
players who choose to still play at Eurobet through our other rakeback deals.

Renate Hope,


[/ QUOTE ]

Straight Flushes,
SAM

edited to remove name of rakeback provider

[MegaBet]

I feel naked playing without rakeback lol.

[Apathy]

[ QUOTE ]
I feel naked playing without rakeback lol.

[/ QUOTE ]

There are a lot of people especially at the 215s who multitable and survive off of rakeback, this is going to really cut those people down which is a pretty bad thing imo.

[Vetstadium]

UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG this is a part time job and rakeback helps when in a cold streak oh well have to maybe jump back to limit for awhile.

[MegaBet]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I feel naked playing without rakeback lol.

[/ QUOTE ]

There are a lot of people especially at the 215s who multitable and survive off of rakeback, this is going to really cut those people down which is a pretty bad thing imo.

[/ QUOTE ]

For those still playing on Empire etc, I'm seeing this as a chance to see how I do against tougher opponents, which is how things will be in the future.

Just trying to put a positive spin on an awful situation...

[microbet]

Why will things get tougher in the future?

[lorinda]

[ QUOTE ]
Why will things get tougher in the future?


[/ QUOTE ]

Things are probably tougher already. I imagine the pool at Empire is largly full of rakeback customers, who will generally be better informed than Party.

Lori

[microbet]

At Empire things are tougher probably. Slim played both skins and party last night and said the skins were rock gardens and party was a fish tank.

I thought Megabet meant in general, not just the skins.

On average, things should be the same unless people stop playing altogether. In that case, it will be the marginal winners and maybe marginal losers who are most likely to stop, so that won't be so bad. (that aspect of it - probably not good enough to overcome lost rakeback)

[Isura]

I got a PM this morning, www.switchbacktoparty.com (http://www.switchbacktoparty.com) .

Not sure if it's legitimate.

[pergesu]

[ QUOTE ]
I got a PM this morning, www.switchbacktoparty.com (http://www.switchbacktoparty.com) .

Not sure if it's legitimate.

[/ QUOTE ]
craig over in the rb forum is saying it's a scam

[Maulik]

Pokeroom here I come!

Glad i've been playing cash games!!!!!!!!

[Isura]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I got a PM this morning, www.switchbacktoparty.com (http://www.switchbacktoparty.com) .

Not sure if it's legitimate.

[/ QUOTE ]
craig over in the rb forum is saying it's a scam

[/ QUOTE ]

Thanks, I'll check that out.

My reply was to the effect "Die soon.".

[Slim Pickens]

The only 55 I played on Empire yesterday after the switch had one player with a VPIP over 30% in the first three levels. I think six were what I consider rocks. Playing on Party though, my screen lit up with red and orange Poker Ace numbers: VPIP's over 50% and 35%, with multiple players per table PFR over 20%. Small sample size, sure, but that observation is worth something. I'll take a closer look at it as soon as I'm done 6-tabling the 1/2 beginner tables at Party. It has to even out eventually, with everyone's ROI something like 2.5% lower whether it's from lack of rakeback or concentration of the better players.

What percentage of players in PP SNGs were playing from a skin for rakeback (last week)?

[Steve]

Forgive me for stating the obvious but EVERYONE needs to email their rakeback affiliate just to make sure they are aware that you will be jumping ship and all their rakeback business will go away. Then they will talk to the skins and make sure the skins know the same. Sometimes the obvious is not so obvious (the skins may not be aware what a complete total disaster this is for them).

[Ogre]

[ QUOTE ]
Forgive me for stating the obvious but EVERYONE needs to email their rakeback affiliate just to make sure they are aware that you will be jumping ship and all their rakeback business will go away. Then they will talk to the skins and make sure the skins know the same. Sometimes the obvious is not so obvious (the skins may not be aware what a complete total disaster this is for them).

[/ QUOTE ]

trust me with the millions of $ being cashed out i think they know

I don't really understand all the crying.

So-- you move from approx. 29% RB at Empire to 24.5% at Party. It's not that big of a deal. RB is just icing anyway--- a free bonus that shouldn't even be figured into your ROI and hourly wage.

The only thing that sucks is that I have to play exclusively at Party now.... I was really happy with the support and service at Empire--- Royal Flush Club, etc... Hopefully Party will step up and start appreciating their players.

[Iamafish]

[ QUOTE ]
I don't really understand all the crying.

So-- you move from approx. 29% RB at Empire to 24.5% at Party. It's not that big of a deal. RB is just icing anyway--- a free bonus that shouldn't even be figured into your ROI and hourly wage.

The only thing that sucks is that I have to play exclusively at Party now.... I was really happy with the support and service at Empire--- Royal Flush Club, etc... Hopefully Party will step up and start appreciating their players.

[/ QUOTE ]

I dunno what I think yet, we'll have to see (currently on stars).

It seems to me though that mostly everyone is just freaking out about rakeback? Like bad_egg said, its just iceing.

I understand that some do affiliate work, sorry about that.

Some are saying they're moving to PokerRoom. Well, they have a whole friggin' casino, and LESS players. I don't really understand what you're doing there.

I can't really say I honestly believe it, but Im sure party will grow back just on its own. I doubt many will really play blackjack (just like pokerroom, no one plays it), it wont get big, and I doubt it'll kill the fish. People like poker.

I kinda like the idea of having 10 tables, also just being on one site. I don't really like the sidebets, but hey, it could really all work out.

Would someone please tell me how i can get 24.5 percent rakeback on party? I have no idea how to do this

[Iamafish]

Just relax.

Everyone needs to just sit back for 1-2 days until everything gets worked out.

[MegaBet]

Speaking of music, I just heard REM on the radio...

yes you guessed it, "It's the end of the world as we know it"

[Steve]

so did anybody ever find out if switchbacktoparty.com is a scam?

[ QUOTE ]
so did anybody ever find out if switchbacktoparty.com is a scam?

[/ QUOTE ]

I didn't find out but there is approximately a 0% chance I'm giving any information to them.

[Scuba Chuck]

[ QUOTE ]
so did anybody ever find out if switchbacktoparty.com is a scam?

[/ QUOTE ]

If El diablo says it's true, it's dogma.

[Voltron87]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
so did anybody ever find out if switchbacktoparty.com is a scam?

[/ QUOTE ]

If El diablo says it's true, it's dogma.

[/ QUOTE ]

vince lepore vouched for them. im not making it that up either.

[Bluff Daddy]

I go out of town for the weekend and come home to see 2k people logged onto eurobet /images/graemlins/frown.gif /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[AtticusFinch]

Let's see. An overnight massive reduction in the number of pros on Party. How can this not be more +EV than whatever you lose from rakeback?

I hate the company as much as anyone else here, but I'll gladly give up my rakeback for an increase in the fish percentage.

If this is seriously a deal breaker, go sign up on Hollywood Poker through Bonus Whores. You'll get 1000% signup bonus with a year to clear it, and it clears in $50 increments. It amounts to something like 28% rakeback.

[EricW]

[ QUOTE ]
Let's see. An overnight massive reduction in the number of pros on Party. How can this not be more +EV than whatever you lose from rakeback?

I hate the company as much as anyone else here, but I'll gladly give up my rakeback for an increase in the fish percentage.

If this is seriously a deal breaker, go sign up on Hollywood Poker through Bonus Whores. You'll get 1000% signup bonus with a year to clear it, and it clears in $50 increments. It amounts to something like 28% rakeback.

[/ QUOTE ]

Atticus, I don't understand your line of reasoning along with others who share the same reasoning as you.

How do you reckon that there will be an increase in fish while the better players will for some reason leave? The players who were good on eurobet/empire will also migrate to party to play where the fish are. These good players won't simply "disappear." Even if these players do "disappear," where will the increase in fish come from? Has this new policy that Party Poker has implemented made any steps to draw a significant increase of fish in?

The bottom line is all this means (provided that we can't get rakeback from party poker but inner circles are saying we can) is that the player pools will be decrease a bit because the previous skins won't contribute to the player pool, and that there won't be rake back.

[Exitonly]

Since Party upped the amount of tables you can play, there won't really be a decline in the # of pro's, unless some other site that offers rakeback can suddenly offer the aesthetics and enormous supply of dead money that party can, i don't see this affecting many people. Especially since it's a day in and already theres reports of rakeback everywhere (ZJ's, NegateTheRake etc etc).


If people wait a week it'll be pretty much the same thign it was before.

[ QUOTE ]
How do you reckon that there will be an increase in fish while the better players will for some reason leave? The players who were good on eurobet/empire will also migrate to party to play where the fish are. These good players won't simply "disappear." Even if these players do "disappear," where will the increase in fish come from?

[/ QUOTE ]There won't be more fish, but fish will make up an even plarger percentage of the player pool.

[johnnybeef]

[ QUOTE ]
The tone of your response feels like you are intent in getting into some sort of flaming war.

[/ QUOTE ]

Why the hell would I want to get into a flaming war with you? You are for the most part mild mannered, respectful of others, have been here for a while, and most of all, are not Daliman.



[ QUOTE ]
Online BJ has already been around, as well as sportsbetting. So, to the part time gamblers (poker, BJ or other), they've always had to leave party and go elsewhere.

[/ QUOTE ]

Party is pulling EV out of our pockets, and is making it very easy to do. While I like the idea of getting a bunch of degenerate gamblers onto the sight, this really does nothing for me until I start to focus more on cash games.

[ QUOTE ]
Most of the chicken littles, and those who are responding with negative tones over this topic are mostly college kids. Over and over, I see a lot of negativity from the college kid population. Perhaps you guys can take some solace from those who are taking this event with a different perspective.

[/ QUOTE ]

Being a chicken little does no good. The games are still there and they still will be profitable (just not as profitable as before.) I am just taking a realistic view of the situation. It is going to take a massive influx of blackjack players with horrible poker skills to make up for the increased rake I will be paying. Just to give you a few numbers....last evening there were 32.6k players on party. This is a drop of almost 30k from last sunday night. While I know that the smoke is still clearing, I just can't see how you are going to get all of those back. I'm not sure what the future holds, but I do know that most of the players have been slightly affected by the events of saturday night (think of it like rising gas prices.)

ps. I'm a ripe 25, so I'm technically not a college kid anymore /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[tigerite]

I saw 55k on at Party last night, about 1am UK time?

[Mr_J]

And what makes you think that??

Party has lost some fish, the ones who played on the skins. Party will retain most of the serious players.

=

Party loses some fish who stay on skins.
Party loses some serious players who have had enough and go play stars.

[FakeKramer]

Party is so greedy. My God.

[FakeKramer]

Right now there are NO available ways to get a rakeback account on Party Poker. However, a few people (ZJ being one of them - http://zeejustin.com) are working on trying to provide rakeback on Party Poker.

However, all this being said, there is apparently a new "rewards" program on Party Poker that could possibly end up working itself out to being just as benefitial as rakeback ever was, thus rendering ZJ (and other)'s efforts rather meaningless.

Do I have it?

[fnord_too]

[ QUOTE ]
Right now there are NO available ways to get a rakeback account on Party Poker.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is incorrect.

[rwesty]

[ QUOTE ]
so did anybody ever find out if switchbacktoparty.com is a scam?

[/ QUOTE ]

This site is legitimate, I've been using them for several months.

[Steve]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
so did anybody ever find out if switchbacktoparty.com is a scam?

[/ QUOTE ]

This site is legitimate, I've been using them for several months.

[/ QUOTE ]

yes but what's the catch, do they actually give you 25% rakeback? They claim "25% bonus every month", that could just be some funky deposit-bonus type thing.

[rwesty]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
so did anybody ever find out if switchbacktoparty.com is a scam?

[/ QUOTE ]

This site is legitimate, I've been using them for several months.

[/ QUOTE ]

yes but what's the catch, do they actually give you 25% rakeback? They claim "25% bonus every month", that could just be some funky deposit-bonus type thing.

[/ QUOTE ]

party hates the word rakeback, it's just a different name for it.

[Indiana]

Why so much bitching? Party's bills over the long run are paid by us. We just start a little boycott and we'll have them coming to our houses to do the yardwork if we want. Who wants to head up this effort?

Indy

[microbet]

I'm no expert in this business, but I suspect Party wanted more from the skins than they got. If the skins put more money in advertising and brought in more players, party wouldn't do this. We all need these sites to make a lot of money and spend it recruiting new players.

I'm not against putting pressure on Party by spending our money at another site, or even by collective action, but it's all just business - not good vs. evil, at least as far as I know.

Hi Microbet...remember me?

Since I'm a newbie on this board and at online poker...could you (or someone else) please give a brief synopsis of what is going on here?...please dumb it down as I don't even know what a skin is.

Thanks in advance.

[stanzee]

Right here goes... The fish play at party. The better players play at party skins (so that they can get rakeback deals). Before Saturday, if you played on a party skin (eg Eurobet, Empire) you were playing players from party poker (as well as the skins). Now party have seperated themselves from the skins. This means all though so called better players have a choice of either sticking to the skins and still receiving rakeback, or switching back to party to play the bigger pool of fish without rakeback. Everyone is upset because of this. Not Stanzee. He's so good he can beat anyone in front of him, and Stanzee losing rakeback means little, as Stanzee makes loads of money anyway. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[EricW]

[ QUOTE ]
Right here goes... The fish play at party. The better players play at party skins (so that they can get rakeback deals). Before Saturday, if you played on a party skin (eg Eurobet, Empire) you were playing players from party poker (as well as the skins). Now party have seperated themselves from the skins. This means all though so called better players have a choice of either sticking to the skins and still receiving rakeback, or switching back to party to play the bigger pool of fish without rakeback. Everyone is upset because of this. Not Stanzee. He's so good he can beat anyone in front of him, and Stanzee losing rakeback means little, as Stanzee makes loads of money anyway. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

bah, keep playing your K8s UTG early in a sit n go.

[microbet]

Stanzee was at least right about the party/skin stuff.

[Bigwig]

Man alive. I go on vacation for two weeks and bam.

Okay. So what's Party's new deal with reward points? We'll be able to get cash? Cause I'm sitting on a mountain of points and don't feel like buying 200 pair of beach sandals.

[stanzee]

[ QUOTE ]

bah, keep playing your K8s UTG early in a sit n go.

[/ QUOTE ]

/images/graemlins/confused.gif Another mindless statement

[MegaBet]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Right here goes... The fish play at party. The better players play at party skins (so that they can get rakeback deals). Before Saturday, if you played on a party skin (eg Eurobet, Empire) you were playing players from party poker (as well as the skins). Now party have seperated themselves from the skins. This means all though so called better players have a choice of either sticking to the skins and still receiving rakeback, or switching back to party to play the bigger pool of fish without rakeback. Everyone is upset because of this. Not Stanzee. He's so good he can beat anyone in front of him, and Stanzee losing rakeback means little, as Stanzee makes loads of money anyway. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

bah, keep playing your K8s UTG early in a sit n go.

[/ QUOTE ]

lol, nh. At least I know where stanzee will be. I wouldn't wanna miss the money he regularly gives me /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Cactus Jack]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Right here goes... The fish play at party. The better players play at party skins (so that they can get rakeback deals). Before Saturday, if you played on a party skin (eg Eurobet, Empire) you were playing players from party poker (as well as the skins). Now party have seperated themselves from the skins. This means all though so called better players have a choice of either sticking to the skins and still receiving rakeback, or switching back to party to play the bigger pool of fish without rakeback. Everyone is upset because of this. Not Stanzee. He's so good he can beat anyone in front of him, and Stanzee losing rakeback means little, as Stanzee makes loads of money anyway. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

bah, keep playing your K8s UTG early in a sit n go.

[/ QUOTE ]

lol, nh. At least I know where stanzee will be. I wouldn't wanna miss the money he regularly gives me /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

You play $5+1, too?

[Steve]

Does anybody know how the whole breakup thing came about? Was it:

a) Partypoker calls all the skins and says "Hey, we're gonna put you on a separate server, don't worry it will be great, you guys have over 10,000 players collectively!" and the skins were dumb enough to buy that it was no big deal.

b) The skins knew they were getting the shaft but Party said f you anyway, you have no choice in the matter suckers, and now the owners of the skins hate partypoker as much as we do.

[microbet]

Maybe Party hated the skins because instead of advertising and getting new players to their network they lured high volume players away from party with easier affilliate/rakeback deals.

[Steve]

[ QUOTE ]
Maybe Party hated the skins because instead of advertising and getting new players to their network they lured high volume players away from party with easier affilliate/rakeback deals.

[/ QUOTE ]

Oh, that much is definitely true. I'm just wondering if the skins didn't think it was such a bad idea (until they lost all their business), or they knew this was going to destroy them but partypoker f'ed 'em over anyway. In other words, do the skins hate partypoker now too, and can they be our allies in this little war?

Thanks for the explanation Stanzee. I've been playing at pokerroom which has no rakeback, but other than that I like the site and I've been able to beat the players there (at least at the $20+2.) It's really the only site other than Victoria's that I can get to on my Mac.

[Bigwig]

I was thinking about this. Surely, Party realizes that giving frequent players some sort of cash discount would be profitable. They probably tolerated the skin rakeback for these reasons. I have to believe that something will be offered. It just makes sense. You can't shop anywhere anymore without getting rewarded for being a frequent customer.

[ QUOTE ]
I was thinking about this. Surely, Party realizes that giving frequent players some sort of cash discount would be profitable. They probably tolerated the skin rakeback for these reasons. I have to believe that something will be offered. It just makes sense. You can't shop anywhere anymore without getting rewarded for being a frequent customer.

[/ QUOTE ]

Good point, I just got a free burrito for lunch from Qdoba for having bought 9. 10% BB (burrito back) isn't as good as 28% RB but I'll take it.

[Karak567]

[ QUOTE ]


Good point, I just got a free burrito for lunch from Qdoba for having bought 9. 10% BB (burrito back) isn't as good as 28% RB but I'll take it.

[/ QUOTE ]


hahahhahaha nh sir

POTD

burrito back, I love it.

[AleoMagus]

Hi. I am new to Burrito eating and was wondering how much I am missing out on by not getting burritoback? I eat about 10 burritos a month right now but could eat more. If there are any burrito affiliates who could respond with information on burritoback that would be great.

Regards
Brad S

Beach sandes are the new you. But now seriously is party offering rake back with the points?

[AllinDan]

quiznos is giving me 20% sandwich back now. . .beat that!