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NYCNative
10-07-2005, 10:55 AM
Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.50 BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button ($55.35)
SB ($29.50)
Hero ($48.75)
UTG ($24.15)
UTG+1 ($45)
UTG+2 ($30.90)
MP1 ($23.60)
MP2 ($18.15)
MP3 ($7)
CO ($49.85)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $0.50, MP2 calls $0.50, MP3 calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $0.50, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($3.50) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $0.5</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $3.5</font>, Hero calls $1.50.

Turn: ($10.50) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $0.5</font>, Hero calls $0.50.

River: ($11.50) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $11.5</font>, Hero calls $11.50.

Final Pot: $34.50

I had just sat down, only played one orbit and I think this was my first flop that I saw. I checked the flop figuring that with seven people in the hand someone would take a stab and I could check-raise.

When I was min-reraised, I thought that I might be out-kicked or be behind trips full so I decided to play it passively which is why I didn't raise his stupid turn bet-check. Was that too weak-tight? Should I have let her rip?

I decided that I couldn't fold it on the river because villain's betting pattern was just so stupid. Donk lead and then aggression on the flop, a weak-donk turn bet and then a pot-sized bet on the river? Yeah, I was confused. Maybe that was his plan. But I wasn't going to fold this. Would you?
10-07-2005, 11:01 AM
I don't see a problem here

I would probably lead the flop myself though
swolfe
10-07-2005, 11:40 AM
check-raising the flop is like saying, "I have an 8, please fold...unless you're beating me".
NYCNative
10-07-2005, 11:48 AM
So if I lead the flop and get raised what does that tell me?
10-07-2005, 11:49 AM
yeah but does it say that to your random 50NL player?

sincere question, I'm not being sarcastic. If so, at about what limits is it obvious to most? 100NL?
10-07-2005, 11:52 AM
Maybe 9T maybe 89 maybe A7 maybe 99/TT maybe 65 maybe air

I'd probably call and check the turn. Then see what he does
swolfe
10-07-2005, 12:26 PM
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So if I lead the flop and get raised what does that tell me?

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that someone limped in with A8...possibly a strong overpair, but that'd be a dumb raise to make with less than the case 8.

seriously, open trips are a WEAK hand. it's really no better than a pair because you'll have the same types of kicker issues that you'll have with them. true, it's less likely that your kicker will matter since there's only one left, but if you play it in such a way that it's obvious what you have, then you will usually only get action when you're behind.
swolfe
10-07-2005, 12:27 PM
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yeah but does it say that to your random 50NL player?

sincere question, I'm not being sarcastic. If so, at about what limits is it obvious to most? 100NL?

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what hands would check raise this flop?
NYCNative
10-07-2005, 12:30 PM
This might be true at higher levels, but not so at these levels. The guy with the overpair loves to play it fast, even with a pair on board.
djoyce003
10-07-2005, 12:31 PM
checkraising is BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD

Lead the flop, call the raise, then either lead the turn, or checkraise that turn. I don't think he has an 8...I think he has a draw.

I probably lead flop for pot, call the raise, then lead the turn. If I get raised again on the turn i'm likely folding because there is no way your 6 kicker is good....but if he just calls i'm leading the river.
NYCNative
10-07-2005, 12:34 PM
Also one thing that villain's betting allowed: His flop bet was a donktastic minbet from the button. If I am holding a weak 7 I will CR this just because it looks like a donkey attempt at stealing the pot.
10-07-2005, 12:36 PM
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yeah but does it say that to your random 50NL player?

sincere question, I'm not being sarcastic. If so, at about what limits is it obvious to most? 100NL?

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what hands would check raise this flop?

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Are you asking what I think? Or what a typical 50NL is thinking?