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boondockst
10-07-2005, 10:08 AM
I have zero confidence in my poker "luck". I regularly play NL25 and 0.5/1 6max and usually do really well. My problem (if you can call it that) is an innate pessimism in all-in situations.

It started from playing in a local mini-casino's $25 buy-in tournament. It was played at 2 in the morning and given the sobriety (lack of) and play of the people involved, i was easily one of the top players there. But as it was a relative speed tournament, many all=ins occur and i went on a streak of getting all in preflop as a 65/35 or often 80/20 favorite and losing to one card flushes, one card straights, etc. I've only started playing this year but I have about 80,000 hands of ring play in and a lot of SNG experience as well. I'm no stranger to beat but I started having no confidence in all-in situations. It didn't affect my play that much, if at all, but the mental strain hurts at times.

I went on a recent trip to Vegas for the first time. I trapped a younger player (well hell i'm only 21 but) into making a call of a huge overbet preflop. There's $400+ in the pot in a 1/2 NL game and I have queens and see he has sevens. I kid you not, I get up from the table, shake my head and say, "Don't worry, I don't win these." Sure enough, he flops a seven and turns another seven for good effect. I get all in later on the trip with pocket kings against someone with a flush draw and gutshot. The player needs a ten or a diamond. I walk away from the table towards the in-room buffet because I can't stand to watch. The table gasps as right on the turn the....10 of diamonds falls.

I understand losing these situations are a part of poker but if you seem to have a bad apprehension about all in situations what can be done? I hope this post doesn't sound childish. I thoroughly enjoy playing poker but if there was one thing that makes it unenjoyable for me, this is it. It's so bad that I actually typed this into the chatbox online today:


Dealt to manhost [ Ah As ]
urdaisyifudo folds.
AnAngryMan calls [$0.25].
manhost raises [$1].
copeadam raises [$1.75].
kylep0 folds.
ROCK46 folds.
AnAngryMan folds.
manhost raises [$5].
copeadam calls [$4.25].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ac, 9s, Th ]
>You have options at Table 36571 (6 max) Table!.
manhost checks.
copeadam is all-In.
manhost: wow
manhost: i duno
manhost: i have AA
manhost: i might fold
manhost: if you have some garbage and draw out
manhost: good for you
manhost calls [$12.86].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qd ]
** Dealing River ** [ Kd ]
manhost shows [ Ah, As ] three of a kind, aces.
copeadam shows [ Js, Jh ] a straight, ten to ace.
copeadam wins $36.42 from the main pot with a straight, ten to ace.

This hand didn't cripple my BR or anything and I actually made up the money within a half hour on another table but I just sat there stunned at my computer for fifteen minutes as i played. I was obviously joking in the chat about folding but my mental state is sometimes that skewed that I foresee losing the hand and I honestly (stupidly) typed that in so that he knew how bad I had him on the flop so that even if he won he would have to sweat it hard.

Anyone ever felt this way for an extended period or am i just spewing random thoughts because i've been up all night?

revots33
10-07-2005, 12:01 PM
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I understand losing these situations are a part of poker but if you seem to have a bad apprehension about all in situations what can be done?

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You need to detach the results from your play, although it's easier said than done. Once you're all-in with the best hand, and you've made the correct read of yuor opponent, you've "won" that hand - to the extent that you can ever win a short-term game where luck is involved. No amount of optimism or pessimism is going to change the outcome anyway - the cards that eventually come on the flop, turn, and river are like reels on a slot machine. Yes, you will get unlucky sometimes. This has nothing to do with your frame of mind while the cards are being dealt.

When I multitable online, I sometimes just minimize the screen after I'm all-in with the best hand - then I click back on after a minute, to see if my hand held up or not. This helps reinforce that all control I have over the eventual outcome of that particular hand is now gone. It keeps me from "rooting" against certain cards, because my rooting has zero effect on the outcome anyway.

I don't enjoy bad beats any more than anyone else, but I've gotten to the point where I'm happy if I made the correct play, regardless of how the hand turns out.

Dave H.
10-07-2005, 12:15 PM
If you make the correct plays and you can control your emotions and never tilt, you will be a winner...period, exclamation point! No matter what you do or whom you play, Variance will have it's way with you. I know you know that, so just shake your head, sigh, continue to play and know that you are a winner.

Dave H.
10-07-2005, 12:43 PM
Last night I played limit for about 2 hours. I was full of confidence. In 5 minutes...that's FIVE minutes, I was down about 30BB.

In my very first hand I had A /images/graemlins/spade.gifJ /images/graemlins/diamond.gif on the button. I raised two limpers who called. The flop was
A /images/graemlins/heart.gif J /images/graemlins/spade.gif 7 /images/graemlins/spade.gif
First limper bets, second limper calls, I raise, first limper reraises, second limper folds, I call the 3 bet.
I'm putting him on AA or JJ or flush or straight draw or two lower pairs
The turn is A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

Limper bets, I raise, he reraises, I cap, and he calls. I have Aces over Jacks and have the nuts.

The river also gets capped. He turns over 7 /images/graemlins/heart.gif 7 /images/graemlins/club.gif...Oh, did I mention that the river card was a 7 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif and that his quads beat me?

So I stayed down (and played correctly) about 30 BB for the next hour and 45 minutes or so. I played 10 more minutes and during that 10 minute stretch I won 45 big bets!!! Everything hit and everything held up...it always turns around, maybe not as quickly or dramatically as this, but it always turns around!