($60) 88 early, from the blinds

[bluefeet]

$55+5 turbo, L1 - no notes on villian
Seat 1: (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: (1260 in chips)
Seat 3: (1470 in chips)
Seat 4: (1470 in chips)
Seat 5: (1480 in chips)
<font color="blue">bluefeet (1500 in chips) </font>
Seat 7: (1480 in chips)
Seat 8: (1790 in chips)
Seat 9: (1550 in chips)
Seat 5: posts small blind 10
bluefeet: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bluefeet [8h 8d]
1 fold
Seat 8: calls 20
5 folds
Seat 5: calls 10
bluefeet: checks
*** FLOP *** [3s Tc Ts]
Seat 5: bets 100
<font color="blue">bluefeet: raises 140 to 240</font>
1 fold
Seat 5: calls 140
*** TURN *** [3s Tc Ts] [Jc]
Seat 5: checks
<font color="blue">bluefeet: ??? </font>

"fold the flop lead" would work too, but IMO on a paired board this is worth a shot.

your thoughts on the flop...also,

what do you do now on the turn?
what type of hand do you put him on?
would a T overpot this flop 3-way?
would he just call my raise?

[bennies]

I put villain on a 3 half the time and a pocket pair the other half (but probably not QQ-AA). I wouldn't worry about the T, his flop overbet wouldn't make sense with trips on this drawless board.

So, value bet the turn (maybe 300). If he calls and checks the river I think I'd check behind (fearing 99 or JJ) but I don't mind betting again either.

[kevkev60614]

I bet the turn, fold to a raise. Check behind the river if called on the turn.

He might have a PP or a J, but I'd guess he has two overcards or an A, stabbed at the pot on the flop and folds to your turn bet here.

[bluefeet]

$55+5 turbo, L1 - no notes on villian
Seat 1: (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: (1260 in chips)
Seat 3: (1470 in chips)
Seat 4: (1470 in chips)
Seat 5: (1480 in chips)
bluefeet (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: (1480 in chips)
Seat 8: (1790 in chips)
Seat 9: (1550 in chips)
Seat 5: posts small blind 10
bluefeet: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bluefeet [8h 8d]
1 fold
Seat 8: calls 20
5 folds
Seat 5: calls 10
bluefeet: checks
*** FLOP *** [3s Tc Ts]
Seat 5: bets 100
bluefeet: raises 140 to 240
1 fold
Seat 5: calls 140
*** TURN *** [3s Tc Ts] [Jc]
Seat 5: checks
<font color="blue">bluefeet: bets 320</font>
Seat 5: raises 320 to 640
<font color="blue">bluefeet: ???</font>

bastard /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[pooh74]

I feel your pain...what started out so innocently.

yuk

[hyde]

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Seat 5: checks
<font color="blue">bluefeet: bets 320</font>
Seat 5: raises 320 to 640
<font color="blue">bluefeet: ???</font>

bastard /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

What a suck pill.
I think he owns you.
The fun news is that you fold and as the new short stack you get to have all the fun......

[barry111]

Yea, with the c\r on the turn it looks like your beat. Did you fold? Did villain show? I put him on a J or a T, I don’t think villain would do this with a 3 or a str8 draw? Would villain do this with the BP\nut-flush draw or OESFD ?

Up until the turn play, Ax-spades fits all his moves as well. He even has odds to call your flop raise if he thinks his A is an added out.

[bigt439]

I think you can bet smaller on the turn. He's not going to check raise with something you beat unless he's insane, and he won't be able to say oh that guy's bet looks weak I'll attack it, because so many donks bet small with huge hands like trips. You're not really protecting against draws, so why not bet 2/5 pot and save some when you're c/r'd?

not sure how these 60 turbos play, but i was thinking he might have a jack hi flush draw...

[bennies]

baaa, stars sucks, nobody does this on pp.

Anyway, I agree with everyone that hero should throw in the towel. Also, I think it is dangerous for me to think too much about this hand. Thinking more could lead to following conclusions:

1) laying down to the flop overbet (weak)
2) checking behind on the turn (giving another free card).

Both of these options seem -EV longterm. In this hand we ran into a tricky opponent (or simply someone who hit the turn), that happens...

and if he is (still) overplaying his flush draw, then wow... would anyone here play Axs this strong?

[Paul Thomson]

I fold. This could be a sophisticated bluff by a tricky player with a flush draw. But I doubt it because he has no idead what kind of player you are. Instead I put the villian on exactly what he's telling you...trip tens. Let him have it. I think it was a donk play on his part to give you a look at a free card if you were on a flush draw. But that just makes him more of a donk and why you should see through his mini-bet for what it is...trips. By the way if I was on a flush draw, I would call in an instant. The implied odds from this idiot would be worth it everytime. You're practically getting the odds to draw to it anyways. But since you have 88, I fold.

[bluefeet]

Seat 5: checks
<font color="blue">bluefeet: bets 320</font>
Seat 5: raises 320 to 640
<font color="blue">bluefeet: folds</font>

~ the end (and hero blinded off not-so-happily ever after)

the moral of the story? i guess making a move L1 for my neighbor's lousy 100chips with possibly the better hand isn't worth the risk...meh

[durron597]

Preflop: fine
Flop: fine
Turn: Pot control, I would rather keep the pot small here, maybe induce a bluff on the river, and let him draw to his 6 or maybe even 10 outer for free. I think I fold to a bet on an overcard river (except for a 9) and call an undercard.