Folding an overpair (QQ) against mouse

[FreakDaddy]

Villian is 16/2/0 (40 hands)

Good or bad lay down? He could have TT or JJ himself. It's feel it 60/40 here. He could have limped AA too. the table was pretty aggresive.

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

UTG+1 ($24.75)
UTG+2 ($25.65)
MP1 ($18.70)
MP2 ($21.95)
MP3 ($60.15)
CO ($18.95)
Hero ($25.20)
SB ($10)
BB ($22.65)
UTG ($62.75)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls $1.75, MP1 calls $1.75, MP3 calls $1.75.

Flop: ($8.35) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets $8</font>, MP1 folds, MP3 folds, Hero calls $8.

Turn: ($24.35) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 calls $14.75 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $39.10

[FreakDaddy]

Bump. Any opinions appreciated. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[yvesaint]

40 hands isnt really much to go by

what you have to realize is that if villain bets pot on the flop like that, and you flat call, the pot size on the turn is almost always going to be bigger than his stack (unless you are very deep, which rarely happens in full-ring ssnl)

if you call the flop bet, i think you shouuld call the turn as well - you will probably see JJ/TT very often here, as i dont ever see AA/KK limp-calling pre-flop

villain bets out pot on a raised pot, you call, he is pushing the turn 99% of the time - think ahead of time, on the flop, whether you are going to call his turn push, rather than waiting for the turn card to come before deciding

[THATWACOKID]

if a weak tight passive leads into a flop that hard just fold and go to the next hand.

[amoeba]

I call.

could also be AKs, no?

I think AA/KK reraises there.

[FreakDaddy]

Agree 100%. I had the same line of reasoning after I timed out. /images/graemlins/smile.gif I played really tired tonight, so I know I misplayed that. I mean it struck me odd that he's going to bet into a large field OOP into the PF raiser with full pot. I agree that I probably should have called, and expected a Tight/passive to slow play a set. Just a misplayed hand by me. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

After 75 hands he was 14/1/0

[FreakDaddy]

I agree. I should have called. Like was said earlier, if I'm calling a full pot on the flop, I should call the turn push. /images/graemlins/frown.gif