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Lurker4

10-07-2005, 12:27 AM

new to PLO, I have no idea how to play this game. No reads, is the flop raise standard, and what do you do after its pot 3-bet? Just get it all-in like I did? Sorry if this hand is overly standard; need to get a feel for some basic situations and coming from shorthanded LHE I might have a tendency to overvalue hands.

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.25 BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB ($38.70)
BB ($35.10)
UTG ($3.60)
UTG+1 ($10)
MP1 ($5)
MP2 ($44.25)
MP3 ($30.45)
CO ($22.45)
Hero ($24.65)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. UTG+1 posts a blind of $0.25. MP1 posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, UTG+1 (poster) checks, MP1 (poster) checks, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.50) J/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP3 bets $1.45, Hero raises to $5.8, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP3 raises to $18.85, Hero raises to $24.4, MP3 calls $5.55.

Turn: ($50.30) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)

River: ($50.30) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: $50.30

blumpkin22

10-07-2005, 12:47 AM

After the reraise you know he has 9-10, but you have the odds to draw out. Sorry you didn't hit.

nh

kurto

10-07-2005, 02:17 AM

Does he have the odds? Seems pretty slim, especially because, if the opponent isn't playing total junk, has likely counterfeited many of his outs. And, the opponent (again, if he's not a complete donk) could have redraws to a higher straight (which could split) or a fullhouse.

Paxosmotic

10-07-2005, 02:51 AM

4 9s, 4 As, 2 Qs, 2 Js, so 12 outs and we're getting better than 2:1 on calling the reraise. What's with the cap? Figuring it's going in anyway?

Lurker4

10-07-2005, 03:16 AM

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4 9s, 4 As, 2 Qs, 2 Js, so 12 outs and we're getting better than 2:1 on calling the reraise. What's with the cap? Figuring it's going in anyway?

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Yeah, pretty much, if I call the flop re-raise I'm getting odds to call the turn since I'll only have $6 or so left, so I don't think it matters either way. Does the flop re-raise always mean T9 here?

joewatch

10-07-2005, 04:44 AM

You have a nice drawing hand, but I think your flop raise is incorrect. I would just flat call.

BTW, why didn't you raise preflop???

10-07-2005, 05:21 AM

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Does the flop re-raise always mean T9 here?

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Strictly speaking, it suggests T9 + redraws.

DarthIgnurnt

10-07-2005, 09:01 AM

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Strictly speaking, it suggests T9 + redraws.

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At PLO $25 (and higher many times), the naked 9-10 throws their stack in this pot so fast your head would spin.

A couple of your 12 outs (at least one of the 9s) will be counterfeited.

I call here, so that a multi-way pot can build, and see how the hand develops. You have position. You're up against a probable made straight, with possible redraws. A couple of your outs are probably dead, and there isn't a huge amount of dead money in the pot. Barring some kind of read that negates the above, isolating and getting all your money in heads up isn't the play here.

kurto

10-07-2005, 10:49 AM

If you're going to give the opponent credit for a made straight, then you can't assume there are 4 9s out there... then, you have to ask yourself if the opponent is good. If he does have a made straight, is he likely to have counterfeited some of my other outs?

I may be giving the opponent too much credit (we don't know from the post if the villain is decent or a total donk).

I just think its worth noting in the analysis.

illegit

10-07-2005, 01:07 PM

I raise pot PF then pot it if checked to on the flop.

With how you played it I would just call on the flop and hopefully encourage more callers.

Lurker4

10-07-2005, 01:17 PM

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BTW, why didn't you raise preflop???

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Yeah, I'm still not sure exactly when I should be raising PF and with what hands. So far I've only been raising AAxx or KKxx after like one limper, or openraising anything decent if folded to me in the hijack, so my PFR so far is like 3%. Do you raise a lot of good multiway hands here (suited broadways, doublesuited connectors, double pairs+connectors+suited like JJTTs, etc)? And to how much, minraise to build a pot, or just pot-raise?

joewatch

10-07-2005, 06:02 PM

Read Ciaffone's Omaha book. It has a very good section explaining the type of hands to raise with preflop.