Kurosh vs Trix (Preflop question)

[Trix]

[Trix]

If you think both are horrid, then choose the least horrid one..

[wheelz]

q8s

[baronzeus]

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q8s

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[kurosh]

Any of you who pick against me are terrible players and soon variance will show you who is the bitch in the relationship.

[ALL1N]

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q8s

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[RunDownHouse]

I must be an idiot, because I think I'm the only one siding with kurosh. Not that kurosh is an idiot, but a lot to a little usually indicates something is off.

[obithrawn]

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q8s

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q8s

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[wheelz]

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Any of you who pick against me are terrible players and soon variance will show you who is the bitch in the relationship.

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i almost said "i agree with you trix, q8s" but decided against it... /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Trix]

I guess we know that kurosh have 9 gimmick accounts now.

[Entity]

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[ggbman]

Im saying this somewhat in jest and somewhat seriously, why do you guys spend so much time discussing which play would be worse? They both suck, lets talk about something we can apply to our game. Given these options, its a dead heat.

[Victor]

im with you kurosh. hell, i raise it on the button sometimes. uh-oh.....

[JoshuaD]

I voted K7o. Position is alot. Guess I was wrong though. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Surfbullet]

I vote K7. I <3 stealing the button. and raising pf in position gives us lots of options on the flop, whereas raising OOP leaves us with A) bet and pray B) check and fold

Surf

[NLSoldier]

When I first saw this I thought it was Q8s utg. Q8s utg+1 is standard for me.

<font color="white"> jk, jk, im drunk as hell and trying to add fuel to the fire for those who think im a totla lagtard...</font>

[baronzeus]

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When I first saw this I thought it was Q8s utg. Q8s utg+1 is standard for me.

<font color="white"> jk, jk, im drunk as hell and trying to add fuel to the fire for those who think im a totla lagtard...</font>

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This whole thread started because i told Kurosh that I had just raised Q8s UTG+1. He told me it was absolutely horrible. Trix said it was close. Then Kurosh said he raised T9s UTG and I told him I thought that Q8s &gt; T9s and UTG+1 &gt; UTG and scratched my head a bit.

[StellarWind]

How do I vote for "it depends"?

First, where is the limper seated? UTG v UTG+1 is a major difference with respect to both the limper's best possible hand and his worst possible hand.

Second, how does the limper play postflop? Is he going to show his Ax down as a matter of principle or does he need to hit the flop? BTW, if you don't know the answer to this last question then go directly to jail for raising K7o without a solid read to help you play postflop.

Third, both plays are counting on getting a lot of folds, but K7o is especially counting on nailing the button while Q8s cares most about BB. So some tables are going to favor one play over the other.

Of course the most -EV thing is probably me spending time thinking about this useless topic.

[NLSoldier]

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When I first saw this I thought it was Q8s utg. Q8s utg+1 is standard for me.

<font color="white"> jk, jk, im drunk as hell and trying to add fuel to the fire for those who think im a totla lagtard...</font>

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This whole thread started because i told Kurosh that I had just raised Q8s UTG+1. He told me it was absolutely horrible. Trix said it was close. Then Kurosh said he raised T9s UTG and I told him I thought that Q8s &gt; T9s and UTG+1 &gt; UTG and scratched my head a bit.

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meh, i prefer T9s. not sure why. probably cuz shneids told me so. Id say i riase T9s UTG like 1/3-1/2 teh time, but i never raise Q8s utg. but I do raise Q8s in the CO, which i think is right next to UTG+1 unless im really durnk and stupid.

[gildwulf]

Q8s...at least you have a small chance to take the blinds.

OK, this should be fun....

Given:

UTG+1 &lt; CO
K7o &lt; Q8s

([CO]-[UTG+1]) &lt;&gt; ([Q8s]-[K7o])

Average Position Stats for a 1.5BB winner:

CO = 0.12
UTG+1 = 0.10

Hand values from PokerRoom EV Stats (http://www.pokerroom.com/games/evstats/totalStats.php?order=value):

Q8s = <font color="red">(-0.02)</font>
K7o = <font color="red">(-0.11)</font>

Sooo..

([CO]-[UTG+1]) &lt;&gt; ([Q8s]-[K7o])
Plugging in the values:
([0.12]-[0.10]) &lt;&gt; ([-0.02]-[-0.09])

(0.02) &lt; (0.07)

(How much being OOP sucks) &lt; (How much the hands suck)

It's not even close.....Take the Q8s.

[Jeff W]

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Of course the most -EV thing is probably me spending time thinking about this useless topic.

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Yep.

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unless im really durnk and stupid.

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Hmmm..

Sorry ociffer, I was under the affluence of incahol.