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10-06-2005, 08:26 PM

Hand 1:

CO 21.7/17.5/2.7 1.4k hands

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Preflop: Hero is Button with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG folds, CO calls.

Flop: (10.40 SB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB calls, CO raises, Hero calls, BB folds.

Turn: (7.70 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
CO bets, Hero calls.

River: (9.70 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.70 BB

Hand 2:

SB 25/3.6/1.1 300 hands

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Preflop: Hero is CO with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, MP calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, MP calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB bets, MP calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB bets, MP folds, Hero calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

callydrias

10-06-2005, 08:58 PM

1. I don't hate it, but my first reaction would be to fold the turn when the 2nd over hit. Weak?

2. What does a 3.6 pfr 3-bet that you can beat here? His overall aggression isn't that high, so the river bet should convince you that you're beat if you didn't know it already.

joker122

10-06-2005, 09:24 PM

hand 1 is hard, even with the solid read you have. alot of TAGs will checkraise a flushdraw here, or 77-99, or the other TT. unfortunately the only one of those that bets the river is the busted flush draw i think. it may sound crazy but i think i might fold the river?

i think #2 is an easy fold on the flop.

10-07-2005, 04:30 AM

What if villain was a 35/16/2 in hand #2, would you call down?

stigmata

10-07-2005, 05:00 AM

On hand 1, I really don't like folding 2nd pair on a raggedy flop agianst this very aggressive opponent. He is in the CO so he could have a wide range of hands. We are ahead of 99-77, a flush draw (Axs, KQs, KTs etc), he might also check-raise with A6 or A4. My plan on the flop is 3-betting, betting the turn, checking through the river. This way we charge the draw but save a SB if behind.

Too LAG?

Hand 2 I think the only thing we are ahead of here is possible AQs, and I'm not paying to find out.

Megenoita

10-07-2005, 05:01 AM

Hand one, I think it's a pretty easy fold on the turn. His hand range has the vast majority ahead of you and you are getting under 5:1 to call down.

Hand two, I wonder what you think of my line...I raise the flop, fold to a 3-bet, and if he just calls and checks the turn, I check and call most rivers. You lose less here and still get to the river.

M

10-07-2005, 05:22 AM

Interesting that most of you have got different ideas of how to play these two hands.

Hand 1, I like this idea, and if he caps flop we can safely fold the turn:
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On hand 1, I really don't like folding 2nd pair on a raggedy flop agianst this very aggressive opponent. He is in the CO so he could have a wide range of hands. We are ahead of 99-77, a flush draw (Axs, KQs, KTs etc), he might also check-raise with A6 or A4. My plan on the flop is 3-betting, betting the turn, checking through the river. This way we charge the draw but save a SB if behind.

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I think calling flop and folding turn is too weak.

Hand 2:

I think I should have folded the flop like most of you recommended.
Again, what would you do if he was 35/16/2?

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stigmata

10-07-2005, 05:41 AM

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Again, what would you do if he was 35/16/2?

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Easy flop raise. It's a LAG in a blind-stealing war, which can often turn them into a super-LAG. You have 2nd pair against a very wide range of 3-betting hands (Aces, pairs, even crap like Q9 or 89s sometimes). Raise the flop, and keep betting. If you face a 3-bet on the flop it's a tough spot and you have to go with your read (will he 3-bet bluff? will he 3-bet middle pair? Or only top pair?), but the read is made easier due to the drawless nature of the board.