PokerSpot CEO 2nd in chips at the WSOP

[Zwiggelte]

I saw this posted at www.pokerineurope.com (http://www.pokerineurope.com) forum
Hi,

dutch boyd, former PokerSpot CEO who still owes a lot of money to players after closing down his online pokerroom has 491500 in chips at the WSOP 10k Tourney and is 2nd in chips.
There are already some guys waiting in line to cash in what he owes and more players are on their way.
If someone in Europe also gets money from him, consider a short trip to Vegas, it may pay.

[Emperor]

MS SUNSHINE has the baseball bat warming up on the heating pad I'm sure.

[Inthacup]

Few things poker related would make me feel better than MS getting the $50,000+ that was robbed from him. MS, if I were you, I think I'd make a personal visit. The odds you're getting on the price of a Vegas plane ticket is obviously a +EV situation. Being able to confront the "man behind the curtain" is worth the price of the ticket to me. I mean wtf, he can't pay you back your money but he can buy into a 10k tournament??

[MS Sunshine]

Well,,,,,,,well............well

Sorry, no baseball bats, not my style. Lesley is in Vegas and as soon I talk to her, Dutch will have another sweater rooting him on.

MS Sunshine

[Glenn]

"Sorry, no baseball bats, not my style"

Just pretend he's a cat and get out the tree shreader

[Ted Geisel]

Sue the prick for breach of contract and fraud, serve him as soon as he is in the money with a TRO (and serve Binions) attaching his prospective winnings.

Binions is only 2 blocks from the Courthouse.

If you really are due the money, are willing to find a lawyer for a contingent fee case (about 40%) and want to collect, this is your chance.

[yct]

If the tourney ends right now, he would collect 1.3 million US dollars as 2nd place. Perhaps he bluffs his way into the final 45, just like how he bluffed his pokerspot customers.

But seriously, I hope MS gets his $50k back, because that's really quite a bit of money unless you are Bill Gates.

[Martin Aigner]

MS,

of course it´s non of my busines, and you aren´t obligated to answer in any way, but how come that you had 50k on that site???

I played there some tourneys and was up about 400, but as far as I remember there weren´t too many cash games going. Did you really win that much or did you invest in PokerSpot?

Just (very) curious.

Good luck in getting the money.

Martin Aigner

[MS Sunshine]

The number is $56,838. My wife and I played short handed $20-40 for several months after Russ came out with a payment plan. We just kept winning. Finally it was just bosox and us.

The WSOP is suddenly more interesting this year, but without him finishing 6th or above, we will most likely get nothing. I believe if Russ has time to think about this, him only paying if he wins, if he has enough to pay everyone he will. That leaves him with his name cleared and the software. He doesn't need this over his head if he wishes to continue with online gaming. Also now that he has a taste for big money live tournaments it would be diffircult for him to avoid some legal action from the failure of PokerSpot. Also top three showing in the WSOP would bring alot of press and he would benefit from good press rather than bad press.

IMO

If he makes the final table I will drive the 200 miles to see it tomorrow.

MS Sunshine

[Martin Aigner]

O U C H ! ! ! !

Thanks for the info. I really wish Russ the best luck for the tourney and you even more so for getting your money.

One thing seems to be for sure for me. I´m gonny avoid playing you heads up /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

You gonna come to the WHUPCC in Vienna?

Best regards

Martin Aigner

[Jim Easton]

Binions is only 2 blocks from the Courthouse.

Does he live in Clark County? If not, you couldn't establish venue in Clark County. Venue is pretty much limited to where the defendant resides or where the cause of action accrued.

[Simon Diamond]

Lets just hope this guy from PokerZit gets popped (after winning serious money at the WSOP), and MS gets his bucks back.

I should think MS's cat is praying for that right now.

Simon

[bull7]

MS's cats are currently enthusiastically making a list of gormet cat foods, snacks, and toys they are planning to demand. The cats have not forgotten when the 56K was lost the first cut in the family budget brought on generic cat food . . . . My fingers are crossed for ya MS, and of course, the cats.

[lorinda]

It's like the WWF...suddenly we are all rooting for the bad guy.

GL MSS

Lori

[MS Sunshine]

"suddenly we are all rooting for the bad guy"

I know exactly how you feel.

MS Sunshine

[bull7]

or like an old Western movie Lorinda. . . Boyd's wearin' the black hat.

[lorinda]

I know exactly how you feel.

Pokerspot was before my time, Im rooting for him so I can see YOU get paid /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

Lori

[jackstraw]

If i remeber correctly they owe me 900-1000 are there any other players who are in a similiar situation that believe we could recover some $$$ from this scam artist?

p.s. is the ceo of pokercosmo playing too? lol

[Simon Diamond]

Lori,

Off topic alert - I believe there was a court case between two WWF's and the big panda got the rights to the name.

WWF = World Wildlife Fund.
WWE = used to be World Wrestling Federation, now World Wrestling Entertainment.

I know I'm a sad git for watching wrestling, but you are exactly right about rooting for the bad guy in this situation - very similar.

Simon

[yct]

Perhaps you could use the service from a debt collection company. Just have them camp out at all the exits of the casino, and once he leaves the premise, hehe...

[GrannyMae]

Just pretend he's a cat and get out the tree shreader

HMMMM.. i'll let this slide cuz you are my american idol buddy.

(however, i think this would be a riot if all the pokerspot accountholders were sweating the final table)

i hope he scores snowbird, but do you think he would pay up if he did? wait for the "i was backed, it is not my money" excuse.

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[MS Sunshine]

Russ not paying would not surprise me at all, but I hope to catch him at weak moment.

MS Sunshine

[GrannyMae]

If not, you couldn't establish venue in Clark County. Venue is pretty much limited to where the defendant resides or where the cause of action accrued.

venue is overseas methinks. also, i'm not sure if i would march into the courthouse to file for a judgement against a site that my activities may or may not be construed as illegal. also, the potential for a larger tax liability than the 56k probably exists as well.

i suspect that this is a couple of the MANY reasons why MS has taken his lumps, and just hoped that one day the 56k would be paid. RB is a defiant fuk that seems to have no remorse, and actually seems vengeful to those he owes.

why he is such a prick to those he owes money to is beyond me.

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[Instinct]

If he finishs at the final table, I'd leak the story to the press. Maybe a little pressure on him and his pride to pay some of his poker debts wouldn't be a bad thing.
Either that or put out a PR news release on the news wires ( cost about $1000 ) that way if any reporter looks for news about wsop they will see your story.

Header of release on final day could read:
"Online poker players driving miles to Vegas looking for $$"

And if I see you at any short handed game I will be running.
Good luck collecting.

Instinct

[Ted Geisel]

Sorry bud, but I disagree ... What you are trying to describe is subject matter jurisdiction, not venue. He is found in Nevada and so would his prize money if he won any. He is subject to personal jurisdiction, no doubt. Clark County is the proper venue as that is where his $$ are.

Nevada state court might not have subject matter jurisdiction, but that is a different matter. I would expect a federal substantive claim could lie.... The substantive claim could be fraud, perhaps wire fraud (federal) as Ms Sunshine lives in the US) and the action could seek to seize his assets, i.e. his $10K entry fee and its proceeds.

[Ted Geisel]

The guy takes people for thousands by fraud and his victims are rooting for him to win and .... maybe, just maybe toss them a bone ... FAT CHANCE.

I cannot believe what I am reading. I had a lot more respect for you guys before this. Sorry, the guy owes you money and hasn't paid.

Hello ... IF HE WINS ANY HE WON'T PAY YOU AGAIN.

You might as well hope he gets hit by a bus or chokes on a comp meal because wishing/whining won't get you any money..

Unless you hammer him you are NOT going to EVER get any money. This grovelling about "gee I hope wins" is disgusting .. Sorry, you get zero sympathy for any more whining about how you were defrauded.

[schroedinger]

You are going to have all kinds of problems here.

Maybe this deserves its own thread, but one of the risks of online poker is the integrity of the room sponsor. I am fairly confident that you are going to run into all kinds of "gambling debts are not enforceable" problems in legal actions to collect. This is why your bank won't let you fund your account with your VISA/Mastercard.

And beyond enforceability, I think you also have "credit" issues, although these online cardrooms are gushing so much money (really guys, .50 a hand rake is way more than enough profit), that it seems hard to believe that any of them will go broke/bankrupt any time soon.

I tried to get in touch with "NetTeller" when I had $1500 on deposit with them, and never did find a single thing about their "bricks and mortar" life. The domain name is registered to someone called Smythwyck, or something similar, on the second floor of some address in Toronto.

I like online poker, but I would get very nervous to build up a five figure balance over there.

I would be interested in starting/backing/finding/playing in a room with rakes more in line with actual costs.

[HavanaBanana]

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The number is $56,838. My wife and I played short handed $20-40 for several months after Russ came out with a payment plan. We just kept winning. Finally it was just bosox and us.


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Does this mean he f.ex made a payment plan 10% on the dollar, so what you actually were playing was 2-4 and now you want to get paid 10 fold that?

[Emperor]

I thought this exact same thing. This guy could win $10 Million and I doubt MS Sunshine would see any of his $50K.

Like someone said, $50K is a lot of money. I'd be putting this guy on a monthly payment plan, and my buddy Guido would keep those payments coming on time.

[MS Sunshine]

We were playing $20-40 and he was to pay the complete amount off, but in installments, 20% each month until it was completely paid off.

MS Sunshine