View Full Version : who wants to gamble with James???
DcifrThs
10-06-2005, 03:04 AM
Party 2k NL,
im sure a few of you would call here and most of you would fold. it doesn't matter what i did im just curious what % of MHNL wants to put it in on a flip
limpy=ish game 2 limpers to me i limp with 9h8h. sometimes i raise here, sometimes i dont, now i didn't.
james is in the bb and he checks right along, i have position and its 4 handed. james has about 3k and i have about 3k.
flop is 6h5hXx james comes right out and bets like 77 or 80 or so. 1 caller and i make it 200. james doesn't even HESITATE for a second and just pushes it all in so its like 2.8k for me to call getting for all intents and purposes 1:1 on the call.
who calls here, who folds?
what does he have?
-Barron
A few notes: i dont always raise this flop. sometimes i call. this time i decided to raise. i dont always limp behind, this time i did...so of course we can all play this differently...i just wanna know who gambles.
ggbman
10-06-2005, 03:11 AM
you'll check-raise king-5 high but fold this? I call because i like to gamble. I try to stick to limit because i like to gamble.
James282
10-06-2005, 03:11 AM
Flop was 6x5h2h.
-James
Spladle Master
10-06-2005, 03:16 AM
I would call and justify it by saying that I was being laid a decent price and he might be overplaying such-and-such hand and it'll be good for image and blah-blah-blah but really I would call because I do not like folding.
etizzle
10-06-2005, 03:21 AM
i gamble and call. From james's correction i'm beginning to think he had A2h or similiar, and you were in a lot of trouble.
im_the_dirt
10-06-2005, 04:07 AM
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flop is 6h5hXx james comes right out and bets like 77 or 80 or so. 1 caller and i make it 200
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This looks very bad to me. Call or make it something like 350.
As for the decision at hand fold he has big hearts here too often for a call to be right.
-dirt
I changed my mind, nevermind
Ulysses
10-06-2005, 04:24 AM
Why did you raise the flop? I fold to his push every time. I can't believe so many people are calling. I knew Party games ruled, but....
chuddo
10-06-2005, 04:41 AM
pretty simple and clear fold.
when the best case scenario is that you are a slight underdog (an unlikely TT), and at worse case you are significantly buried: Ah 6h...you fold.
you are 43-57 against a hand like 62 top and bottom, and 33-67 against 22 bottom set.
now what hands is he bet-3betting all in huge on this flop?
his range has you crushed. fold all day and then feel bad for raising the flop.
Kirkrrr
10-06-2005, 05:24 AM
I don't think it's a coinflip - best case scenario he's probably also on a draw but his is bigger - KhTh, QhJh, etc. I've also seen bottom sets played this way, and black 45o. The only card that's a clear winner is a 7, and if he does have a set/two pair combo then he still has redraws. Bad spot and too deep stacked to gamble. Easy fold.
Kirk
Not quite, best case is he is favourite, against:
43 no heart he has 53% equity
A/images/graemlins/heart.gif6/images/graemlins/heart.gif he has 35.2%
66 no heart he has 40.3%
He needs about 46% equity to call
If dcfer can take hearts out of his hand range then he can call. After all, doesn't this look a lot like and overbet with 'the nuts'? How else would he play 34o?
then again the 2 would probably not have been X-ed out in the OP if this were the case
fsuplayer
10-06-2005, 08:41 AM
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I fold to his push every time. I can't believe so many people are calling.
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greg nice
10-06-2005, 09:00 AM
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im sure a few of you would call here and most of you would fold. it doesn't matter what i did im just curious what % of MHNL wants to put it in on a flip
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this is no where near a flip a very large % of the time
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I fold to his push every time. I can't believe so many people are calling.
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I fold to his push every time. I can't believe so many people are calling.
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Leptyne
10-06-2005, 11:36 AM
Since I voted fold there doesn't seem to be much else to say. This is not a coin flip. I can't find a single post that has a sound reason for calling.
The flop raise does not look like a rational play.
DcifrThs
10-06-2005, 12:50 PM
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Why did you raise the flop? I fold to his push every time. I can't believe so many people are calling. I knew Party games ruled, but....
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i knew the flop raise was bad the second i made it...the limit part of me did it. its a clear call b/c if i raise i just priced myself out of the hand a good portion of the time...whereas in limit that hand is worth a cap w/ 2 players there.
plus james isn't exactly what id call passive.
Barron
DcifrThs
10-06-2005, 12:53 PM
I folded. and hated myself for raising.
turns out i was a 50.2% favorite...the very definition of a coin flip.
James had 6h4h for a pair + straight + flush draw. and i was the very definition of a coin flip.
Barron
chuddo
10-06-2005, 02:26 PM
and that is the very definition of being in one of the best possible spots against his push.
calling an all-in preflop with 22 will put you in a flip some % of the time against an AK.
BobboFitos
10-06-2005, 02:31 PM
I dont mind your flop raise as everyone else does, but it seems in your posts you arent really raising enough (fwiw I think people think the flop raise was bad because of what happened in the hand...) You made it 120 more into a pot of 320. This is simply not enough.
flawless_victory
10-06-2005, 02:36 PM
well, james has a straight for sure, so just a simple math problem which is very close.
bc its a capped games i think you should probably call here.
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well, james has a straight for sure, so just a simple math problem which is very close.
bc its a capped games i think you should probably call here.
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Are you kidding?
flawless_victory
10-06-2005, 02:43 PM
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well, james has a straight for sure, so just a simple math problem which is very close.
bc its a capped games i think you should probably call here.
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Are you kidding?
[/ QUOTE ]getting 33:28 pot odds.
53:47 dog against 43o.
having big stack is an advantage in a capped game.
busting james will be fun for dcifr as they are buddies.
why not call here again?
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well, james has a straight for sure, so just a simple math problem which is very close.
bc its a capped games i think you should probably call here.
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Are you kidding?
[/ QUOTE ]getting 33:28 pot odds.
53:47 dog against 43o.
having big stack is an advantage in a capped game.
busting james will be fun for dcifr as they are buddies.
why not call here again?
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sorry, i must have missed the sentence in the original post that said james had 34o.
flawless_victory
10-06-2005, 02:48 PM
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well, james has a straight for sure, so just a simple math problem which is very close.
bc its a capped games i think you should probably call here.
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Are you kidding?
[/ QUOTE ]getting 33:28 pot odds.
53:47 dog against 43o.
having big stack is an advantage in a capped game.
busting james will be fun for dcifr as they are buddies.
why not call here again?
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sorry, i must have missed the sentence in the original post that said james had 34o.
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come on.
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you come on.
fwiw results are in this thread and he didnt have 34o. not that that matters.
you dont think he pushes 66/55 like this? even a3/a4 hearts?
flawless_victory
10-06-2005, 02:53 PM
ok i take it back... i dont know james and maybe he would pull this stunt w/ Ah4h i dont know. maybe.
i dont think hell show you two pair/set ever.
ok, fine fold. pay no attention to me, i am presumptuous. maybe i outthought myself on here looking for an excuse to gamble.
i just just woke up.
i need coffee.
Chaostracize
10-06-2005, 02:55 PM
Too bad we didn't have this post while playing the hand.
flawless_victory
10-06-2005, 02:55 PM
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come on.
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you come on.
fwiw results are in this thread and he didnt have 34o. not that that matters.
you dont think he pushes 66/55 like this? even a3/a4 hearts?
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p.s. im about to edit all my posts, you are making me look like the fool i am!
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p.s. im about to edit all my posts, you are making me look like the fool i am!
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too late kid.
flawless_victory
10-06-2005, 02:59 PM
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come on.
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fwiw results are in this thread and he didnt have 34o. not that that matters.
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im gonna get AZK to delete this thread! haha.
i just woke up!
BTW/ plz note that calling is +EV.
KaneKungFu123
10-06-2005, 08:34 PM
i dont get it
DcifrThs
10-06-2005, 08:40 PM
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i dont get it
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well, you can throw in some chips, or avoid the call.
i folded...but what would you personally have done.
Barron
KaneKungFu123
10-06-2005, 08:45 PM
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i dont get it
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well, you can throw in some chips, or avoid the call.
i folded...but what would you personally have done.
Barron
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fold
dont understand the flop raise
Ulysses
10-06-2005, 08:49 PM
In all seriousness, posts like this belong in SSNL.
-Skeme-
10-07-2005, 11:14 AM
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Why did you raise the flop? I fold to his push every time. I can't believe so many people are calling. I knew Party games ruled, but....
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Huhmare
10-07-2005, 12:02 PM
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I fold to his push every time. I can't believe so many people are calling.
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Yeah. C'mon.. Hero is a slight dog at best with 12 outs.
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