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Scotch78
10-05-2005, 10:20 PM
Only been at the table a few minutes, but the SB has already caught my attention. He cold-called an EP raise with KJ, called the flop with nothing, then bluff-raised the turn ace, then called a 3-bet and a river bet.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif. CO posts a blind of $3.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO (poster) calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (8 SB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO folds, SB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero . . .

Scott
hobbsmann
10-05-2005, 10:27 PM
Call. You have anywhere from 4-10 outs when behind and very well could be ahead. Agaisnt the guy described I would also have a very hard time folding this river UI.
Scotch78
10-05-2005, 10:32 PM
Folding never crossed my mind, but raising did.

Scott
brazilio
10-05-2005, 10:34 PM
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Folding never crossed my mind, but raising did.

Scott

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I'm going to raise the turn a lot here.
Scotch78
10-05-2005, 10:37 PM
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I'm going to raise the turn a lot here.

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As in it's your first choice? Or like a third of the time "a lot"?

Scott
thesharpie
10-05-2005, 11:49 PM
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Folding never crossed my mind, but raising did.

Scott

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I'm going to raise the turn a lot here.

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I dislike a raise Mr.

Let's hear your reasoning behind a raise.
10-05-2005, 11:59 PM
Raising the turn would be a semi-bluff. Semi bluffing lags is usually a losing proposition. Value raising the Q if it hits on the river however is great. Now what if he reraises? /images/graemlins/smile.gif I would argue just call until you know the lags tendencies better.
hobbsmann
10-06-2005, 12:07 AM
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Raising the turn would be a semi-bluff. Semi bluffing lags is usually a losing proposition. Value raising the Q if it hits on the river however is great. Now what if he reraises? /images/graemlins/smile.gif I would argue just call until you know the lags tendencies better.

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A raise on this turn is going to be for value a good portion of the time and this is where the debate lies. Nobody here thinks our raise will fold out a better hand.
@bsolute_luck
10-06-2005, 07:59 AM
i'd rather check/call check/call than fold a bluff here unless you think he's betting and will fold a smaller pocket pair right now to your raise.
bungyrocks
10-06-2005, 08:22 AM
based on your read - and reading through the other posts - It looks to me like LAG just picked up a flush draw and is testing the waters. If he had the 6 wouldnt he check raise?
The more I think about it the more I like a raise here.
SNOWBALL138
10-06-2005, 08:45 AM
Raise. You're going to call a river bet with ace high anyway. Check behind on the river unless you pair or straighten. Also, some of the time, you actually have the best hand on the turn.