Rule question....

$1/$2 NL

EP raises to $12, MP calls, I call on the button with JTh.

Flop is Qh, 9s, 3h

EP bets out $30, MP calls, I push in for $75 on top. EP calls, but has about $6 more in front of him and doesn't put them in. MP calls as well, and turns over 99. I didn't say anything, b/c I ended up losing the pot to EPs AA even if the MP's hand was dead.

But that's my question - since EP wasn't all in and MP turned over his cards, isn't his hand dead?

as far as i know or care, no. exposed cards are a players fault. it doesn't kill the hand. it was the players fault for not paying attention but the only way to kill a hand is muck it. exposing cards AWAY from the muck should have no bearing on the hand being dead or alive as far as i interperate the rule.

[tonypaladino]

Was MP All-In with his call?

If not, did betting occur between EP and MP on the flop/turn/river for EP's last $6?

Some nitty card rooms have a rule that any/all exposed hands are dead, but generally it is in the interest of the game to keep the hand live.

[ohnonotthat]

rule ?

I could see a rule whereby repeatedly exposing your cards intentionally might lead to a reprimand or even a barring but I have never heard of a rule stating that exposed hands are dead.

I am not saying you're wrong - only that I have never seen/heard of any such rule and I have played in a dozen or so states.

Maybe I just never saw anyone attempt to enforce such a rule.

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Most - if not all - tournaments have a rule forbidding this however I do not know if the penalty for the first offense is killing the hand of the offender.

I think it is against the interest of the game to rule this player's hand dead. Although most rooms have a rule that states that each player should do his or her best to keep confidential information confidential (usually to prevent collusion), I doubt that killing the hand is the punishment. This move was probably not deliberate. Either this player has watched too much TV or wasn't paying enough attention.

There was still betting between the MP and the EP and, yes, I think that the MP was just not paying attention. He was a solid player.

I always thought that if there was betting between two people still to be done and you flipped over your cards, they were dead. I agree that - in the best interest of the game - this should not have been the ruling, however - just curious to what the formal "rule" was.