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JoshNjuice

10-05-2005, 07:24 PM

I'd appreciate your thoughts on this hand. I know this is cliche, but I've only been at the table for 5 or 6 hands, so I have no read, no stats on the opponents in this hand.

Thanks in advance!

JoshNjuice

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP3 3-bets, 2 folds, SB caps, 1 fold, UTG calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (17 SB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
SB bets, UTG folds, Hero raises, MP3 calls, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (13 BB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, MP3 raises, SB 3-bets, Hero ???

GTSamIAm

10-05-2005, 07:27 PM

You're without a doubt beaten. I would be tempted to fold preflop. If you don't fold there, fold on the turn. Don't fold to the flop 3-bet, you have excellent implied odds to hit your set.

Russ McGinley

10-05-2005, 07:30 PM

SB clearly likes his hand (unless he's just a steaming idiot). Would he do this with TT? With no reads, highly unlikely. I think you need a queen, and thus need to fold.

Rev. Good Will

10-05-2005, 07:31 PM

not to be a nit, but hero already has odds to call flop 3-bet, no implied odds are needed to supplement

onward to the content part: you fold this PF?

gharp

10-05-2005, 07:32 PM

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I would be tempted to fold preflop.

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I'd say you can fold the turn, here...

TripleH68

10-05-2005, 07:39 PM

Preflop is fine.

I don't see what the flop raise accomplishes here. It is pretty unlikely the preflop 3-bettor has any kind of draw other than overcards.

Anybody wait to see the turn card?

Roadstar

10-05-2005, 07:39 PM

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I'd appreciate your thoughts on this hand. I know this is cliche, but I've only been at the table for 5 or 6 hands, so I have no read, no stats on the opponents in this hand.

Thanks in advance!

JoshNjuice

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP3 3-bets, 2 folds, SB caps, 1 fold, UTG calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (17 SB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
SB bets, UTG folds, Hero raises, MP3 calls, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (13 BB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, MP3 raises, SB 3-bets, Hero ???

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You played it well up to the turn - hope you folded there.

Preflop, No way I'm folding this preflop (this is not NL). Call the cap, if not capped you should cap it yourself.

Flop - fine, must call 3 bet.

Turn - Way behind, fold

JoshNjuice

10-06-2005, 11:10 PM

Here is the entire hand:

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP3 3-bets, 2 folds, SB caps, 1 fold, UTG calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (17 SB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
SB bets, UTG folds, Hero raises, MP3 calls, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (13 BB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, MP3 raises, SB 3-bets, Hero folds, MP3 calls.

River: (20 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks, MP3 checks.

Final Pot: 20 BB

Results below:
SB has Ac 8c (one pair, jacks).
MP3 has 5d 2d (two pair, jacks and twos).
Outcome: MP3 wins 20 BB.

Of course, I wasn't too happy with the result. I could hear the SSH authors chanting "The biggest mistake you can make is folding a winner in a large pot!! Idiot!" But I feel that I probably made the right decision given my lack of a read and the possible range of my opponents' hands before the flop.

If I'd known the two players in the hand were maniacs and/or that they'd check-check the river, I certainly would've called.

Thanks for your feedback, I appreciate it.

JoshNjuice

gopnik

10-06-2005, 11:14 PM

I fold the turn, you are behind and don't have odds to improve