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coffeecrazy1
10-05-2005, 06:22 PM
I am thinking about places I'd like to move in about a year. I have lived in Texas for my entire life(26 years), and I am needing a major change, both in atmosphere and climate. I have never traveled there, but I am intrigued by Seattle, due to the colder conditions, the better music scene, the better coffee(naturally), and surprisingly, the rain. I also like the fact that it is near mountains, as well.

So...I guess what I'm asking is whether or not you Seattlites enjoy living in Seattle, and some things you don't like about it.

P.S. Portland is also a possibility, but Seattle's higher up the list.

frostbrn
10-05-2005, 06:33 PM
Seattle is awesome. I moved here from Ohio 5 years ago (went to school at the U of Washington), and I liked it so much after school I got a job and stayed. Here's the reasons I like it so much

<ul type="square"> The great mountain hiking/climbing (as you mentioned) Vancouver is 2 hrs away, and is a great getaway for the weekend The B&amp;M casinos and card rooms are not that bad It only rains during late fall/winter/VERY early spring. For the rest of the time the weather is great The urban life is as good as any other city in the country, only the people aren't complete jerks like you would encounter in the bigger East Coast cities [/list]

B Dids
10-05-2005, 07:07 PM
Don't listen to him. It rains all the time and you don't want to move here. It's horrible, horrible, horrible.

Actually it's nice, I don't buy the urban life part. People here freak out over stuff that East Coasters take in stride. Plus this place closes at 2. It's nice, it's not a great party city if that's what you're looking for.

coffeecrazy1
10-05-2005, 07:15 PM
I'm 26 and probably going to be looking at graduate school there, if not professional and personal life. Party cities aside, I'm okay with it closing at 2...I'm not really a big barhopper, and closing at 2 is pretty standard in Texas, anyway.

The Goober
10-05-2005, 07:16 PM
I've lived here for three years now, and I like it. I moved here from new england, fwiw.

The good things: <ul type="square"> The summers can be amazing. The first summer I was here was pretty close to perfect - very little rain, the temperature was about a constant 78 or so, and it doesn't get dark until about 10:30pm
If you go one city north or south, there are lots of places to play pinochle, up to about $10-$20. The rake is generally $3+$1 which seems to be about as good as you can find. If you drive for a bit there are also a couple tribal casinos with higher limits.
Most people here are transplants, so you'll meet lots of people from lots of different places.
There are lots of asian people here, and not just clustered in chinatown. This means lots of good food (awesome sushi) and lots of hot asian chicks to look at.
For the most part, its an extremely tolerant city. Probably one of the few places where its not strange at all to see two men walking together holding hands.
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The bad: <ul type="square"> The winters can be really depressing. The tradeoff for the long summer days is really short winter ones. Especially when its overcast, its often pretty dark by 4:30pm. If you work a 9-5, you may not see the sun at all during the week (since its dark when you go to work, dark when you come home). The rain doesn't tend to be a hard rain (although it can be) but more of a constant drizzle. It doesn't get nearly as cold as new england (and virtually no snow) but it can get cold enough to be really unpleasant, especially when its wet out as well.
The general personality type here is passive-agressive. Strangers won't be mean to your face (like in NY) but they aren't very warm either (as I've heard is more common in the south). Lots of fake smiles and people pretending they don't hear you.
Food here is almost universally over-priced (at least in the more popular parts of town). There is lots of good food, but its generally not worth what people charge (true for sandwhiches up through gourmet meals). There are very few greasy spoon type places where you can get simple cheap food. Everybody wants to charge you $9 for a burger or $8 for an omlette, so they do something fancy to it (like serve your burger on panini or some bullshit) to make it seem worth it.
Propery costs are outrageous. I think I heard that the median home price in king county (where seattle is) is like $350k. Considering that houses in seattle are going to be much more expensive than in the outlying towns, you can imagine how bad it is. I actually this might be in part to blame for the lack of cheap food.
Traffic just blows. If you commute in or out of the city it just sucks, especially if your work hours aren't flexible enough to schedule around rush hour.
Its an oddly segregated city when it comes to black people (reminds me of boston).[/list]

B Dids
10-05-2005, 07:18 PM
This is very on-point.

Popinjay
10-05-2005, 07:22 PM
Seattle baseball fans are pussies. Great city though.

coffeecrazy1
10-05-2005, 07:29 PM
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I've lived here for three years now, and I like it. I moved here from new england, fwiw.

The good things: <ul type="square"> The summers can be amazing. The first summer I was here was pretty close to perfect - very little rain, the temperature was about a constant 78 or so, and it doesn't get dark until about 10:30pm
If you go one city north or south, there are lots of places to play pinochle, up to about $10-$20. The rake is generally $3+$1 which seems to be about as good as you can find. If you drive for a bit there are also a couple tribal casinos with higher limits.
Most people here are transplants, so you'll meet lots of people from lots of different places.
There are lots of asian people here, and not just clustered in chinatown. This means lots of good food (awesome sushi) and lots of hot asian chicks to look at.
For the most part, its an extremely tolerant city. Probably one of the few places where its not strange at all to see two men walking together holding hands.
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The bad: <ul type="square"> The winters can be really depressing. The tradeoff for the long summer days is really short winter ones. Especially when its overcast, its often pretty dark by 4:30pm. If you work a 9-5, you may not see the sun at all during the week (since its dark when you go to work, dark when you come home). The rain doesn't tend to be a hard rain (although it can be) but more of a constant drizzle. It doesn't get nearly as cold as new england (and virtually no snow) but it can get cold enough to be really unpleasant, especially when its wet out as well.
The general personality type here is passive-agressive. Strangers won't be mean to your face (like in NY) but they aren't very warm either (as I've heard is more common in the south). Lots of fake smiles and people pretending they don't hear you.
Food here is almost universally over-priced (at least in the more popular parts of town). There is lots of good food, but its generally not worth what people charge (true for sandwhiches up through gourmet meals). There are very few greasy spoon type places where you can get simple cheap food. Everybody wants to charge you $9 for a burger or $8 for an omlette, so they do something fancy to it (like serve your burger on panini or some bullshit) to make it seem worth it.
Propery costs are outrageous. I think I heard that the median home price in king county (where seattle is) is like $350k. Considering that houses in seattle are going to be much more expensive than in the outlying towns, you can imagine how bad it is. I actually this might be in part to blame for the lack of cheap food.
Traffic just blows. If you commute in or out of the city it just sucks, especially if your work hours aren't flexible enough to schedule around rush hour.
Its an oddly segregated city when it comes to black people (reminds me of boston).[/list]

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I appreciate your candor on the matter. Certainly gives me things to think about.

I'm not worried about the pros...those all sound great...well, okay...I'm neutral about the tolerance thing, but I guess I'll take tolerance over intolerance. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

I can definitely hack the winter thing...I've had my fill of 80-degree Christmases in shorts and a T-shirt.

I'm not so worried about the people, because there are good and bad people anywhere you go. But, I understand your point.

Overpriced things are more of a concern. I guess I'd be eating at home a lot, but that's not such a bad thing. Plus...pinochle parlors usually have some stuff, right?

Similarly, property costs are a concern, but...I've come to expect that in any major city. The apartment I live in in Dallas is nice, but probably 15 minutes from downtown, and I'm paying about 2/3s what a friend of mine who lives downtown pays. So...given that I will most likely be in Seattle with an MBA and a pretty decent job, not to mention my pinochle profits, I can probably live in the suburbs. But still, something to think about, and I appreciate it.

The traffic and segregation CANNOT be worse than my hometown, which is Houston. Houston traffic might be worth remembering from a historical perspective, it's so bad. Honestly, that Hurricane Rita jam was not so much worse than a standard Houston rush hour with a couple of accidents. As for the segregation thing, while I don't like it, it's not as though I'm not accustomed to it, being born and raised in the South. For God's sake, there's a town about an hour and a half east of Houston that deliberately has no black people(Vidor). So...the traffic I expect, and the segregation will be no change. But, still, things to consider.

I appreciate y'all's time on this. Thanks.

stabn
10-05-2005, 07:36 PM
As far as traffic goes watch this a few days:

http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/traffic/seattle/i5_roanokest.htm#cam

SomethingClever
10-05-2005, 07:40 PM
Seattle and Portland are both great places to live if you can handle the weather.

Seattle has more big city stuff... Portland is a little more hippy dippy.

stabn
10-05-2005, 07:43 PM
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Seattle and Portland are both great places to live if you can handle the weather.

Portland is a little more hippy dippy.

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It also doesn't have a bullshit city council that is actively trying to ban lap dances...

wayabvpar
10-05-2005, 07:52 PM
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Seattle and Portland are both great places to live if you can handle the weather.

Portland is a little more hippy dippy.

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It also doesn't have a bullshit city council that is actively trying to ban lap dances...

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Yeah, that is just bad. I haven't been to a strip club in years, but I liked having the option open if needed.

B Dids
10-05-2005, 07:54 PM
It's not like Seattle hating night life is a new thing. They've tried to close every 18 and over club or any club that smelled like black people might go there for years.

The city manages to be progressive and hella repressed at the same time. Remember, we're the city where you can't wear "Yankees Suck" t-shirts at ballgames.

stabn
10-05-2005, 07:57 PM
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Seattle and Portland are both great places to live if you can handle the weather.

Portland is a little more hippy dippy.

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It also doesn't have a bullshit city council that is actively trying to ban lap dances...

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Yeah, that is just bad. I haven't been to a strip club in years, but I liked having the option open if needed.

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Atlanta apparently has 3 dozen and we have 4. Cracking down on these degenerates is definitely of the utmost priority.

bernie
10-05-2005, 09:46 PM
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the better music scene,

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What music scene? That's been over for about 5-7 years.

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bernie
10-05-2005, 09:48 PM
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I've lived here for three years now, and I like it. I moved here from new england, fwiw.

The good things: <ul type="square"> The summers can be amazing. The first summer I was here was pretty close to perfect - very little rain, the temperature was about a constant 78 or so, and it doesn't get dark until about 10:30pm
If you go one city north or south, there are lots of places to play pinochle, up to about $10-$20. The rake is generally $3+$1 which seems to be about as good as you can find. If you drive for a bit there are also a couple tribal casinos with higher limits.
Most people here are transplants, so you'll meet lots of people from lots of different places.
There are lots of asian people here, and not just clustered in chinatown. This means lots of good food (awesome sushi) and lots of hot asian chicks to look at.
For the most part, its an extremely tolerant city. Probably one of the few places where its not strange at all to see two men walking together holding hands.
[/list]

The bad: <ul type="square"> The winters can be really depressing. The tradeoff for the long summer days is really short winter ones. Especially when its overcast, its often pretty dark by 4:30pm. If you work a 9-5, you may not see the sun at all during the week (since its dark when you go to work, dark when you come home). The rain doesn't tend to be a hard rain (although it can be) but more of a constant drizzle. It doesn't get nearly as cold as new england (and virtually no snow) but it can get cold enough to be really unpleasant, especially when its wet out as well.
The general personality type here is passive-agressive. Strangers won't be mean to your face (like in NY) but they aren't very warm either (as I've heard is more common in the south). Lots of fake smiles and people pretending they don't hear you.
Food here is almost universally over-priced (at least in the more popular parts of town). There is lots of good food, but its generally not worth what people charge (true for sandwhiches up through gourmet meals). There are very few greasy spoon type places where you can get simple cheap food. Everybody wants to charge you $9 for a burger or $8 for an omlette, so they do something fancy to it (like serve your burger on panini or some bullshit) to make it seem worth it.
Propery costs are outrageous. I think I heard that the median home price in king county (where seattle is) is like $350k. Considering that houses in seattle are going to be much more expensive than in the outlying towns, you can imagine how bad it is. I actually this might be in part to blame for the lack of cheap food.
Traffic just blows. If you commute in or out of the city it just sucks, especially if your work hours aren't flexible enough to schedule around rush hour.
Its an oddly segregated city when it comes to black people (reminds me of boston).[/list]

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And the new strip club rules, should they be signed, suck!

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ThaSaltCracka
10-05-2005, 10:05 PM
One of the reasons I moved from the Seattle area to the Portland area is because the cost of living in King County is outrageous. Really, it is guys, you will notice it if you ever move. That being said, Seattle is an awesome city if you like sports, beer, and poker. yeah I said it. Portland is like Diet Seattle, and its much cheaper. Traffic is horrible in both cities as well.

KJS
10-05-2005, 10:14 PM
You gotta get out more bernie. It's not like it used to be for sure, but there is a lot of local talent. And numerous venues to see out of town bands, and not just the bigger ones. I saw some great punk rock from Chicago just last week.

KJS

bernie
10-05-2005, 10:49 PM
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It's not like it used to be for sure,

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That's for damn sure. I was kind of spoiled back around '92. Damn it was fun. Then around '94+, it started to suck. The fun atmosphere changed to the brooding 'too cool for the room' types.

I'm actually going to be down in Pioneer Sq on the 12th watching a bud of mines band at The Central Tav.

The people watching is still good. But parking still sucks. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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SomethingClever
10-05-2005, 11:48 PM
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Seattle and Portland are both great places to live if you can handle the weather.

Portland is a little more hippy dippy.

[/ QUOTE ]

It also doesn't have a bullshit city council that is actively trying to ban lap dances...

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, that is just bad. I haven't been to a strip club in years, but I liked having the option open if needed.

[/ QUOTE ]

Atlanta apparently has 3 dozen and we have 4. Cracking down on these degenerates is definitely of the utmost priority.

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Oh yeah. I think I read an article on Fark about how Oregon has the 2nd most strip clubs of any state. The article referenced a T-shirt that says, "Oregon: Come for the fishing, stay for the strip clubs."