Ax in the BB in a live game.

[TripleH68]

Soaring Eagle casino. Mount Pleasant, MI.
$3/6 game that was deelicious...

HHH is in the BB with A /images/graemlins/heart.gif5 /images/graemlins/spade.gif.

UTG is tight preflop. He is a guy who rides in with his buddy from about 45 minutes away. He buys in cheap and only plays premium hands/pocket pairs/occasional suited aces. When he has a good holding "I don't care. I am not folding that." are the words that come from his mouth. I have seen him raise the turn and river with a non-nut str8 on an obvious flush board and payoff a 3-bet. Not good.

Second villain is a real treat. On my right in SB is a young kid with a band-aid on his swollen eye. He is wearing some funky sweatshirt and keeps asking "how much can I raise it to?" He is a gambooler who has been hitting all sorts of stuff. Keeps showing me his cards when I am out of the hand. He raises the turn with flush draws and calls 3-bets with second and third pair. He keeps murmuring stuff like "I don't know how to play poker, heh..." and he is up like 40-50 bb in under an hour. I have been 3-betting his oddball preflop raises and getting stung, making me look like a bit of a dope at this point. The other end of the table are calling us the "corner" and our raises are getting no respect.

Preflop raiser on button is weak-tight. Looking at the chips as though he is scared of the stakes. heh heh.

<font color="red">Deelicious.</font>

Preflop(9 handed): UTG calls, fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 2 folds, <font color="red">button raises</font>, SB calls, Hero calls, <font color="red">UTG 3-bets</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, button calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop(5 players/16sb): A /images/graemlins/club.gif6 /images/graemlins/club.gifJ /images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets </font>...

Any thoughts at this point?

[MrWookie47]

I'm not even enthusiastic about the preflop call with a dominated hand that plays quite poorly multiway. And then betting into a LRR? I think I'm checking the flop.

[gharp]

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Preflop raiser on button is weak-tight

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UTG is tight preflop. ... He buys in cheap and only plays premium hands/pocket pairs/occasional suited aces

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HHH is in the BB with A /images/graemlins/heart.gif 5 /images/graemlins/spade.gif .
Preflop(9 handed): UTG calls, fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 2 folds, button raises, SB calls, Hero calls

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I'm afraid this is where you lost me. I think you need to pick a better spot against these guys...

[numeri]

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I'm not even enthusiastic about the preflop call with a dominated hand that plays quite poorly multiway. And then betting into a LRR? I think I'm checking the flop.

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Yeah... You mention in the OP that Button is tight - so why call with A5o again? Is he so weak-tight he'll fold AK/AQ if you show aggression? I doubt it.

And UTG+1 is tight pre-flop and LRR... ugh.

You can't outplay even the worst oppoenents with cheese like A5o. I would fold preflop. Hope you got lucky and noone had an ace.

[Russ McGinley]

The REAL Cerebral Assassin doesn't call in the blinds with ace-rag.

[TripleH68]

Soaring Eagle casino. Mount Pleasant, MI.
$3/6 game that was deelicious...

HHH is in the BB with A /images/graemlins/heart.gif5 /images/graemlins/spade.gif.

Preflop(9 handed): UTG calls, fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 2 folds, <font color="red">button raises</font>, SB calls, Hero calls, <font color="red">UTG 3-bets</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, button calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop(5 players/16sb): A /images/graemlins/club.gif6 /images/graemlins/club.gifJ /images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets </font>, <font color="red">UTG raises </font>, 2 folds, SB calls, Hero calls.

Turn(3 players/14bb): 9 /images/graemlins/spade.gif.
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets </font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

River(3 players/17bb): Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="red">SB raises </font>, Hero sees UTG has chips in hand to call and muckalucks, UTG calls.

Complete disaster or not? During the play of the hand I had a strong feeling that UTG did not have an ace. I knew the SB had any two and had his seatbelt securely fastened.

Other than the folding preflop option - feedback?

[TripleH68]

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Soaring Eagle casino. Mount Pleasant, MI.
$3/6 game that was deelicious...

HHH is in the BB with A /images/graemlins/heart.gif5 /images/graemlins/spade.gif.

Preflop(9 handed): UTG calls, fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 2 folds, <font color="red">button raises</font>, SB calls, Hero calls, <font color="red">UTG 3-bets</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, button calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop(5 players/16sb): A /images/graemlins/club.gif6 /images/graemlins/club.gifJ /images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets </font>, <font color="red">UTG raises </font>, 2 folds, SB calls, Hero calls.

Turn(3 players/14bb): 9 /images/graemlins/spade.gif.
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets </font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

River(3 players/17bb): Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="red">SB raises </font>, Hero sees UTG has chips in hand to call and muckalucks, UTG calls.

Complete disaster or not? During the play of the hand I had a strong feeling that UTG did not have an ace. I knew the SB had any two and had his seatbelt securely fastened.

Other than the folding preflop option - feedback?

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OK. Last bump. Last chance to scold me.

Limp reraiser had KK. SB LAG had QJoff. I tried a little pokerstove on the flop. Not sure if it means anything...

<font color="blue">Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

10,836 games 0.062 secs 174,774 games/sec

Board: Ac 6c Jd
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 28.1838 % [ 00.28 00.00 ] { AA-QQ, AKs }
Hand 2: 58.0749 % [ 00.58 00.00 ] { Ah5s }
Hand 3: 13.7412 % [ 00.14 00.00 ] { QhJs } </font>

I think a hand range of AA,KK,QQ,AKs is good for the limp reraiser. Again, SB could have anything.

[Aaron W.]

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Limp reraiser had KK. SB LAG had QJoff. I tried a little pokerstove on the flop. Not sure if it means anything...

<font color="blue">Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

10,836 games 0.062 secs 174,774 games/sec

Board: Ac 6c Jd
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 28.1838 % [ 00.28 00.00 ] { AA-QQ, AKs }
Hand 2: 58.0749 % [ 00.58 00.00 ] { Ah5s }
Hand 3: 13.7412 % [ 00.14 00.00 ] { QhJs } </font>

I think a hand range of AA,KK,QQ,AKs is good for the limp reraiser. Again, SB could have anything.

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Your Pokerstove analysis is off because it uses information you didn't have when you made your first bet. When you bet, you didn't know whether button had you dominated. After he folds, you know he didn't, but you can't use that information when estimating your equity. You need to throw in button's range of hands into the mix as well.

[bozlax]

Not /images/graemlins/heart.gifing this. Preflop, you've already been raised by a tightie, after another tightie limped. You're holding an offsuit dominated hand, that, given your reads you're probably going to play aggressively postflop even if you don't hit. And you're OOP to everybody but Captain Hook on your right. Dump it when it's 1.5SB to you.

Betting into this field is just spewing. You've got no redraws to you TPNK, and since you didn't raise preflop nobody's going to think you have a premium ace. Between your table image and your read on UTG, your FE is approximately zero to any decent hand, and it's probably negative to a decent ace.

[bozlax]

I wish you'd just left me believing that you'd folded to a flop raise. I think seeing this HH might be making me go blind.

Hey, where'd everybody go?

[Student Caine]

Preflop: So we have a guy who plays only premium hands opening UTG and a weak-tight Button raising. I honestly think that I fold my A5o here. You have a hand that stands to be horribly dominated and no way to make a "big hand" against a large field unless you hit your one straight combo, two pair, or trip 5's.

However, I don't think that this play is large -EV...we can outplay the other players if we hit and we are paying 1 to win potentially win 10 (at the time of the buttons raise). But, me personally, I drop it.

The limp re-raise is not what we want to see, however, at this point we definitely need to call as the odds we are getting are huge.

[bozlax]

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However, I don't think that this play is large -EV...we can outplay the other players if we hit...

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(UTG)When he has a good holding "I don't care. I am not folding that." are the words that come from his mouth.

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How, exactly, do you propose to outplay UTG postflop?

[TripleH68]

More on my thoughts while playing this hand...

UTG limp tells me pp or big/suited ace. Button raise could be a wide range and this guy was clearly very weak. I know I am going to need a great flop for A5o, but implied odds at this table are huge so why not gamble one SB?

When UTG LRRs I see a pp - AA,KK,QQ. There is a smaller chance he is doing it with AKs, but I have seen him limp these before. Preflop agg is low for this guy and he is really easy to read. So now I have to call when it comes back around.

On the flop I know he is going to bet and I know the button is a fraidycat. I bet into UTG's raise to see what button would do. When he folded I was virtually stuck in the hand. UTG was talking through the hand. If he had the ace he would have clammed up. Oversimplified tell perhaps, but once it was down to 3-handed I was not folding.

This play was very player/situation dependent. Just trying to get a little more creative/aggressive without being a complete idiot.

Playing live was great fun. I have spent most of summer playing online, which leaves me a lot more time for golf.