is he really THAT NUTZREALBlG?

[Bill Poker]

if so, why the hell did he play $20+2? btw, I probably made a poor play (called push from big stack with 88 with BB=300 and I had $1390) and busted out 4th.

***** Hand History for Game 2828093317 *****
400/800 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 16342854) - Wed Oct 05 02:37:57 EDT 2005
Table Table 14106 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 4: bmx_reed36 (720)
Seat 10: NUTZREALBlG (7280)
bmx_reed36 posts small blind (200)
NUTZREALBlG posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
bmx_reed36 shown [Fold,Call(200),Raise(520)to(720)]
bmx_reed36 raises (520) to 720
bmx_reed36 is all-In.
NUTZREALBlG shown [Fold,Call(320)]
NUTZREALBlG calls (320)
Creating Main Pot with $1440 with bmx_reed36
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7c, Tc, As ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 9h ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 3c ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1440 |
Board: [ 7c Tc As 9h 3c ]
bmx_reed36 balance 0, lost 720 [ Kd 6c ] [ high card ace -- As,Kd,Tc,9h,7c ]
NUTZREALBlG balance 8000, bet 720, collected 1440, net +720 [ Ah 3s ] [ two pairs, aces and threes -- Ah,As,Tc,3s,3c ]

[downtown]

[ QUOTE ]
NUTZREALBlG

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm unfamiliar with whom you're referring to, but the "I" appears to be an "l" here.

[Bill Poker]

are you ??????ich?1

[downtown]

[ QUOTE ]
are you ??????ich?1

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, I am. I don't get it.

[unreal_nh]

i dunno... but bmx is the 2nd best 22er out there

[Bill Poker]

[ QUOTE ]
i dunno... but bmx is the 2nd best 22er out there

[/ QUOTE ]

this is the hand he busted me. he has being raising or pushing every other hands since bubble, and never fold to me when I was in BB. I will try not to sit on his left seats next time./images/graemlins/grin.gif

i was not sure about this call. he could have any any Axs/Kxs/JT+/22+. is a fold too weak/tight here?

***** Hand History for Game 2828081969 *****
300/600 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 16342854) - Wed Oct 05 02:34:51 EDT 2005
Table Table 14106 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 4: bmx_reed36 (3835)
Seat 7: hero (1390)
Seat 8: im_not_dead (1465)
Seat 10: NUTZREALBlG (1310)
im_not_dead posts small blind (150)
NUTZREALBlG posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ 8c, 8s ]
bmx_reed36 shown [Fold,Call(300),Raise(600)to(3835)]
bmx_reed36 raises (3835) to 3835
bmx_reed36 is all-In.
hero shown [Fold,Call(1390)]
hero calls (1390)
hero is all-In.
im_not_dead shown [Fold,Call(1315)]
im_not_dead folds.
NUTZREALBlG folds.
Creating Main Pot with $3230 with hero
Creating Side Pot 1 with $2445 with bmx_reed36
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4c, 2h, 2d ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qc ]
** Dealing River ** : [ As ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 3230 | Side Pot 1: 2445
Board: [ 4c 2h 2d Qc As ]
bmx_reed36 balance 5675, bet 3835, collected 5675, net +1840 [ 7h Ad ] [ two pairs, aces and twos -- Ad,As,Qc,2h,2d ]
hero balance 0, lost 1390 [ 8c 8s ] [ two pairs, eights and twos -- As,8c,8s,2h,2d ]
im_not_dead balance 1315, lost 150 (folded)
NUTZREALBlG balance 1010, lost 300 (folded)

[unreal_nh]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
i dunno... but bmx is the 2nd best 22er out there

[/ QUOTE ]

this is the hand he busted me. he has being raising or pushing every other hands since bubble, and never fold to me when I was in BB. I will try not to sit on his left seats next time./images/graemlins/grin.gif

i was not sure about this call. he could have any any Axs/Kxs/JT+/22+. is a fold too weak/tight here?

***** Hand History for Game 2828081969 *****
300/600 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 16342854) - Wed Oct 05 02:34:51 EDT 2005
Table Table 14106 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 4: bmx_reed36 (3835)
Seat 7: hero (1390)
Seat 8: im_not_dead (1465)
Seat 10: NUTZREALBlG (1310)
im_not_dead posts small blind (150)
NUTZREALBlG posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ 8c, 8s ]
bmx_reed36 shown [Fold,Call(300),Raise(600)to(3835)]
bmx_reed36 raises (3835) to 3835
bmx_reed36 is all-In.
hero shown [Fold,Call(1390)]
hero calls (1390)
hero is all-In.
im_not_dead shown [Fold,Call(1315)]
im_not_dead folds.
NUTZREALBlG folds.
Creating Main Pot with $3230 with hero
Creating Side Pot 1 with $2445 with bmx_reed36
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4c, 2h, 2d ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qc ]
** Dealing River ** : [ As ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 3230 | Side Pot 1: 2445
Board: [ 4c 2h 2d Qc As ]
bmx_reed36 balance 5675, bet 3835, collected 5675, net +1840 [ 7h Ad ] [ two pairs, aces and twos -- Ad,As,Qc,2h,2d ]
hero balance 0, lost 1390 [ 8c 8s ] [ two pairs, eights and twos -- As,8c,8s,2h,2d ]
im_not_dead balance 1315, lost 150 (folded)
NUTZREALBlG balance 1010, lost 300 (folded)

[/ QUOTE ]

only in the big blind would i ever come close to considering calling this

[Bill Poker]

[ QUOTE ]
only in the big blind would i ever come close to considering calling this

[/ QUOTE ]

hmmm, i need to work on it. i was kinda of tilted at that time, because i was just busted on other two tables with AA (lost to A2s) and KK (lost to AQs). thanks for reply.

btw, what is the range for a call here? TT+/AQ+?

[JJKillian]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
i dunno... but bmx is the 2nd best 22er out there

[/ QUOTE ]

this is the hand he busted me. he has being raising or pushing every other hands since bubble, and never fold to me when I was in BB. I will try not to sit on his left seats next time./images/graemlins/grin.gif

i was not sure about this call. he could have any any Axs/Kxs/JT+/22+. is a fold too weak/tight here?

***** Hand History for Game 2828081969 *****
300/600 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 16342854) - Wed Oct 05 02:34:51 EDT 2005
Table Table 14106 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 4: bmx_reed36 (3835)
Seat 7: hero (1390)
Seat 8: im_not_dead (1465)
Seat 10: NUTZREALBlG (1310)
im_not_dead posts small blind (150)
NUTZREALBlG posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ 8c, 8s ]
bmx_reed36 shown [Fold,Call(300),Raise(600)to(3835)]
bmx_reed36 raises (3835) to 3835
bmx_reed36 is all-In.
hero shown [Fold,Call(1390)]
hero calls (1390)
hero is all-In.
im_not_dead shown [Fold,Call(1315)]
im_not_dead folds.
NUTZREALBlG folds.
Creating Main Pot with $3230 with hero
Creating Side Pot 1 with $2445 with bmx_reed36
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4c, 2h, 2d ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qc ]
** Dealing River ** : [ As ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 3230 | Side Pot 1: 2445
Board: [ 4c 2h 2d Qc As ]
bmx_reed36 balance 5675, bet 3835, collected 5675, net +1840 [ 7h Ad ] [ two pairs, aces and twos -- Ad,As,Qc,2h,2d ]
hero balance 0, lost 1390 [ 8c 8s ] [ two pairs, eights and twos -- As,8c,8s,2h,2d ]
im_not_dead balance 1315, lost 150 (folded)
NUTZREALBlG balance 1010, lost 300 (folded)

[/ QUOTE ]

only in the big blind would i ever come close to considering calling this

[/ QUOTE ]

really? not questioning your reasoning here, but what is it? I would have made the same call.

JJ

[bmxreed36]

According to the great Sng power tools, with the range you put me on, you should only call with jacks or higher. Sorry for takin ya out fourth, but as you can see, I apparently blew my stack ITM and got 2nd /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Also, I was confused by the NUTZREALBlG name too.

[JJKillian]

[ QUOTE ]
According to the great Sng power tools, with the range you put me on, you should only call with jacks or higher. Sorry for takin ya out fourth, but as you can see, I apparently blew my stack ITM and got 2nd /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Also, I was confused by the NUTZREALBlG name too.

[/ QUOTE ]

this is why I believe sng pt and icm to be an issue, and I personally do not follow either.

If I am in the same position as the pusher I push any two for sure. You have two very sick players at the table, who know how to play stacks and when and when not to call. Plus a 150/300 blind coming around. Not to mention the fact I am not playing for 3rd here.

JJ

[applejuicekid]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
i dunno... but bmx is the 2nd best 22er out there

[/ QUOTE ]

this is the hand he busted me. he has being raising or pushing every other hands since bubble, and never fold to me when I was in BB. I will try not to sit on his left seats next time./images/graemlins/grin.gif

i was not sure about this call. he could have any any Axs/Kxs/JT+/22+. is a fold too weak/tight here?

***** Hand History for Game 2828081969 *****
300/600 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 16342854) - Wed Oct 05 02:34:51 EDT 2005
Table Table 14106 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 4: bmx_reed36 (3835)
Seat 7: hero (1390)
Seat 8: im_not_dead (1465)
Seat 10: NUTZREALBlG (1310)
im_not_dead posts small blind (150)
NUTZREALBlG posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ 8c, 8s ]
bmx_reed36 shown [Fold,Call(300),Raise(600)to(3835)]
bmx_reed36 raises (3835) to 3835
bmx_reed36 is all-In.
hero shown [Fold,Call(1390)]
hero calls (1390)
hero is all-In.
im_not_dead shown [Fold,Call(1315)]
im_not_dead folds.
NUTZREALBlG folds.
Creating Main Pot with $3230 with hero
Creating Side Pot 1 with $2445 with bmx_reed36
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4c, 2h, 2d ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qc ]
** Dealing River ** : [ As ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 3230 | Side Pot 1: 2445
Board: [ 4c 2h 2d Qc As ]
bmx_reed36 balance 5675, bet 3835, collected 5675, net +1840 [ 7h Ad ] [ two pairs, aces and twos -- Ad,As,Qc,2h,2d ]
hero balance 0, lost 1390 [ 8c 8s ] [ two pairs, eights and twos -- As,8c,8s,2h,2d ]
im_not_dead balance 1315, lost 150 (folded)
NUTZREALBlG balance 1010, lost 300 (folded)

[/ QUOTE ]

only in the big blind would i ever come close to considering calling this

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree.

[ QUOTE ]

this is why I believe sng pt and icm to be an issue, and I personally do not follow either.

JJ

[/ QUOTE ]

I found a leak in your game.

[JJKillian]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

this is why I believe sng pt and icm to be an issue, and I personally do not follow either.

JJ

[/ QUOTE ]



I found a leak in your game.

[/ QUOTE ]

re-look at this hand history, and the post. Guy has been agro and all-in from anywhere he said. Plus he has 2nd place covered by almost 3x. In this situation if anyone thinks this guy is doing anything but pushing any two I all ears for the argument.

Poker is situational. ICM and SNGPT cannot pick on those situations as well as a human can. They have their place, but this call here is not one of those places.

JJ

[JJKillian]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

this is why I believe sng pt and icm to be an issue, and I personally do not follow either.

JJ

[/ QUOTE ]



I found a leak in your game.

[/ QUOTE ]

re-look at this hand history, and the post. Guy has been agro and all-in from anywhere he said. Plus he has 2nd place covered by almost 3x. In this situation if anyone thinks this guy is doing anything but pushing any two I all ears for the argument.

Poker is situational. ICM and SNGPT cannot pick on those situations as well as a human can. They have their place, but this call here is not one of those places.

JJ

[/ QUOTE ]

show me the difference in the two situations

#Game No : 2826138914
***** Hand History for Game 2826138914 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:16332550 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Tuesday, October 04, 21:21:02 EDT 2005
Table Table 22477 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 3: jmg4j ( $700 )
Seat 7: HENDOGPIXS ( $1670 )
Seat 9: JJKillian ( $5775 )
Seat 10: tdub1983 ( $1855 )
Trny:16332550 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to JJKillian [ Ah 6h ]
HENDOGPIXS: n1
>You have options at Table 14529 Table!.
jmg4j folds.
HENDOGPIXS folds.
JJKillian is all-In [5675]
HENDOGPIXS: lol
tdub1983 folds.
JJKillian does not show cards.
JJKillian wins 5975 chips
Game #2826141457 starts.

#Game No : 2826141457
***** Hand History for Game 2826141457 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:16332550 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Tuesday, October 04, 21:21:27 EDT 2005
Table Table 22477 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 3: jmg4j ( $700 )
Seat 7: HENDOGPIXS ( $1670 )
Seat 9: JJKillian ( $5975 )
Seat 10: tdub1983 ( $1655 )
Trny:16332550 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to JJKillian [ Jc 5s ]
>You have options at Table 14531 Table!.
tdub1983: nice bet
HENDOGPIXS folds.
JJKillian is all-In [5975]
tdub1983 folds.
jmg4j: fuuuck
>You have options at Table 14529 Table!.
>You have options at Table 14531 Table!.
jmg4j folds.
JJKillian does not show cards.
JJKillian wins 6275 chips
call
Game #2826143634 starts.

#Game No : 2826143634
***** Hand History for Game 2826143634 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:16332550 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Tuesday, October 04, 21:21:48 EDT 2005
Table Table 22477 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 3: jmg4j ( $500 )
Seat 7: HENDOGPIXS ( $1670 )
Seat 9: JJKillian ( $6275 )
Seat 10: tdub1983 ( $1555 )
Trny:16332550 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to JJKillian [ 9d 6h ]
tdub1983: u need to make a move man
JJKillian is all-In [6275]
tdub1983 folds.
jmg4j folds.
HENDOGPIXS folds.
JJKillian does not show cards.
>You have options at Table 14529 Table!.
JJKillian wins 6575 chips
this is rediculous. worst cards ever
Game #2826144776 starts.

#Game No : 2826144776
***** Hand History for Game 2826144776 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:16332550 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Tuesday, October 04, 21:21:58 EDT 2005
Table Table 22477 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 3: jmg4j ( $400 )
Seat 7: HENDOGPIXS ( $1470 )
Seat 9: JJKillian ( $6575 )
Seat 10: tdub1983 ( $1555 )
Trny:16332550 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to JJKillian [ Jd 2c ]
tdub1983 folds.
jmg4j: not even one face in like 5 hands
jmg4j folds.
HENDOGPIXS folds.
>You have options at Table 14529 Table!.
JJKillian does not show cards.
JJKillian wins 300 chips
Game #2826145953 starts.

#Game No : 2826145953
***** Hand History for Game 2826145953 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:16332550 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Tuesday, October 04, 21:22:09 EDT 2005
Table Table 22477 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 3: jmg4j ( $400 )
Seat 7: HENDOGPIXS ( $1370 )
Seat 9: JJKillian ( $6675 )
Seat 10: tdub1983 ( $1555 )
Trny:16332550 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to JJKillian [ 4d 2h ]
>You have options at Table 14529 Table!.
jmg4j: hooollly shiiiit
jmg4j folds.
HENDOGPIXS folds.
JJKillian is all-In [6575]
tdub1983: u r a bully
tdub1983 folds.
JJKillian does not show cards.
JJKillian wins 6875 chips
>You have options at Table 14531 Table!.
Game #2826148221 starts.

what is really funny is how often they keep folding their sb to me because of the super agro. The ur a bully comment is funny also.

This sequence started earlier then the first hand here. It also continues for some time after this, I kept folding to the small stack also to drain the higher stacks even more. When the dust had finally cleared I had 8500 going into HU. I don't see the difference here between this play and what was described and shown in the post.

JJ

JJ

[axeshigh]

You really need JJ or better to call there.