$22 - QQ, two suited, paired board + A

[pergesu]

Anyone betting this turn? If so, how much?



***** Hand History for Game 2828764217 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:16346271 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Wednesday, October 05, 08:01:52 EDT 2005
Table Table 13821 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: AnaKonda ( $1400 )
Seat 2: delpiero10 ( $615 )
Seat 3: mudeblue ( $680 )
Seat 4: dakorecky ( $530 )
Seat 5: rmac57 ( $800 )
Seat 6: pjhneh ( $800 )
Seat 7: The__Dog ( $800 )
Seat 8: CDeezCardz ( $550 )
Seat 9: pattywack85 ( $800 )
Seat 10: BigWand420 ( $1025 )
Trny:16346271 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to pattywack85 [ Qc Qh ]
pjhneh folds.
The__Dog calls [15].
CDeezCardz folds.
AnaKonda: ty
pattywack85 raises [60].
BigWand420 folds.
AnaKonda calls [60].
delpiero10 folds.
mudeblue folds.
dakorecky folds.
rmac57 folds.
The__Dog calls [45].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Th, 6h, Ad ]
The__Dog checks.
pattywack85 checks.
AnaKonda checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Td ]
The__Dog checks.

[Rocco]

I don't know about you guys but I always bet the flop here. Bet around 100-125 to make it look like the ace doesn't scare you.

Yeah I agree I would bet out on the flop, 125 or so. Quite often you will take down the pot right there after raising pre flop, if I get called I am done with it.

[Chris Daddy Cool]

bet this turn and get called by a naked diamond and take the free showdown, unless you spike a queen of course.

[pergesu]

bump. I need some more thoughts.

[Pete H]

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Yeah I agree I would bet out on the flop, 125 or so. Quite often you will take down the pot right there after raising pre flop, if I get called I am done with it.

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[SonnyJay]

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Yeah I agree I would bet out on the flop, 125 or so. Quite often you will take down the pot right there after raising pre flop, if I get called I am done with it.

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I understand the argument, but I like pergesu's flop line because
1) People like playing hands with an A, regardless of kicker or raises
2) They won't release it very often fearing a better kicker.

It's true that you'll take this down almost every time when you aren't facing another A, but you'll find it here very often and they aren't usually going anywhere. To put in a bet of 125 on the flop means you'll have nearly a quarter of your stack in the pot on an A high board against 2 opponents. Interested to hear what some others think about this and why.

That being said, the original limper has checked twice and the guy that cold called the raise behind you checked the flop with position. It would seem much less likely that you're up against an A, and I'd throw in a bet of 100-125 on the turn. As Chris Daddy Cool said, if you get called you're looking to take a free showdown.

-SonnyJay

[pergesu]

Hero bets 110
AnaKonda folds
The_Dog min-raises to 220
Hero ?

[downtown]

[ QUOTE ]
Hero bets 110
AnaKonda folds
The_Dog min-raises to 220
Hero ?

[/ QUOTE ]

Min-check raise? Eww. I'd dump it, the same as if my flop c-bet got raised. I'd call the raise if I thought there was some chance of a cheap showdown, but that doesn't seem very likely now...

[liucipher]

Isn't this a clear fold at this point? I can't think of a single hand you're beating that minraises you. Granted, Villain could be acting "tricky" with a draw or lower PP, but I can't see you feeling comfortable on any river.

[GtrHtr]

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Hero bets 110
AnaKonda folds
The_Dog min-raises to 220
Hero ?

[/ QUOTE ]

ok, you found out what you wanted to know, let it go. Also, I'd bet about the same on the turn btwn 75 and 125 but closer to the 75. If you had bet 50 on the pot you would get the same information.

GTR

[schwza]

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Hero bets 110
AnaKonda folds
The_Dog min-raises to 220
Hero ?

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Min-check raise? Eww. I'd dump it, the same as if my flop c-bet got raised. I'd call the raise if I thought there was some chance of a cheap showdown, but that doesn't seem very likely now...

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even if god decreed there would be no more betting on the river, i still wouldn't call there. i think you're ahead very rarely here, usually against Tx. i would check the flop and i would have checked the turn also.

[Hornacek]

[ QUOTE ]
Hero bets 110
AnaKonda folds
The_Dog min-raises to 220
Hero ?

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fold

[GtrHtr]

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Hero bets 110
AnaKonda folds
The_Dog min-raises to 220
Hero ?

[/ QUOTE ]

ok, you found out what you wanted to know, let it go. Also, I'd bet about the same on the turn btwn 75 and 125 but closer to the 75. If you had bet 50 on the pot you would get the same information.

GTR

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typo too late to edit. Final sentence should read: If you had bet 50 on the flop you would get the same information.

[Insty]

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Yeah I agree I would bet out on the flop, 125 or so. Quite often you will take down the pot right there after raising pre flop, if I get called I am done with it.

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You MUST bet this flop.

In the 22's they think 96s is a hand to call a raise with. But they'll fold if they need 3 cards for a straight.