10-04-2005, 02:59 PM
Here's a situation I ran into today while playing a shorthanded, 3/6 game on party poker, and it's not the first time it's happened to me either.
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero 9 /images/graemlins/club.gif J /images/graemlins/club.gif
EP1 calls, 2 folds, hero calls from button, sb completes, bb checks the option.
pot size: 4 sb.
** Dealing Flop **A /images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3 /images/graemlins/club.gif, 7 /images/graemlins/club.gif
checks around
Pot size: 2 bb.
** Dealing Turn ** 5 /images/graemlins/heart.gif
sb checks, bb bets, mp folds, hero calls, sb check-raises, bb calls, hero calls.
Pot size: 8 bb
** Dealing River ** Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
sb bets, bb folds, hero folds.
Final Pot: 8 bb.
Alright, so here's my logic. when it was all checked around on the flop, i'm thinking that if I hit my J or 9, then 2nd pair might be good enough. Anyway, when the bb bets on the turn, I started counting my odds and came to a conclusion that I had 15 outs: 3 9s, 3 Js and 9 clubs. That's about 3:1, and that's what the pot was paying me. I decided that he didn't have an A just based on the way he had been playing. But then the sb check-raised, and here is where my question comes in. The way I play cards, if I have money in the pot on a betting round and the pot gets check-raised, the money I've already put in is gone, it's not mine. Therefor, even tho I've decided I'm down to 9 outs, I'm getting the right pot odds to call since the money I already invested isn't mine anymore. Does this make sense? Does anyone agree with my call of the check-raise on the turn? If not, any reasons why? Thanks.
AP
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero 9 /images/graemlins/club.gif J /images/graemlins/club.gif
EP1 calls, 2 folds, hero calls from button, sb completes, bb checks the option.
pot size: 4 sb.
** Dealing Flop **A /images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3 /images/graemlins/club.gif, 7 /images/graemlins/club.gif
checks around
Pot size: 2 bb.
** Dealing Turn ** 5 /images/graemlins/heart.gif
sb checks, bb bets, mp folds, hero calls, sb check-raises, bb calls, hero calls.
Pot size: 8 bb
** Dealing River ** Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
sb bets, bb folds, hero folds.
Final Pot: 8 bb.
Alright, so here's my logic. when it was all checked around on the flop, i'm thinking that if I hit my J or 9, then 2nd pair might be good enough. Anyway, when the bb bets on the turn, I started counting my odds and came to a conclusion that I had 15 outs: 3 9s, 3 Js and 9 clubs. That's about 3:1, and that's what the pot was paying me. I decided that he didn't have an A just based on the way he had been playing. But then the sb check-raised, and here is where my question comes in. The way I play cards, if I have money in the pot on a betting round and the pot gets check-raised, the money I've already put in is gone, it's not mine. Therefor, even tho I've decided I'm down to 9 outs, I'm getting the right pot odds to call since the money I already invested isn't mine anymore. Does this make sense? Does anyone agree with my call of the check-raise on the turn? If not, any reasons why? Thanks.
AP