$11's (2 hands) complete from SB & push TT UTG L4

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

Below are 2 hands that I am not sure I played correctly. Please critique...

OK to limp from SB w/ 89s? 2 callers and BB... good odds, bad position... I always get aggressive when I see a draw develop... good push on turn or am I not extracting value?
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: YellowstoneT (1805)
Seat 2: ShutitBeavis (230)
Seat 3: Dr_Jeckyl_00 (560)
Seat 4: arsnl10 (605)
Seat 5: mcaspe1 (1840)
Seat 8: DADDYPOPS (1250)
Seat 10: johnhorv (1710)
Dr_Jeckyl_00 posts small blind (25)
arsnl10 posts big blind (50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [ 8h, 9h ]
mcaspe1: so lucky
mcaspe1 calls (50)
DADDYPOPS folds.
johnhorv folds.
YellowstoneT calls (50)
ShutitBeavis folds.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 calls (25)
DADDYPOPS: HA HA
arsnl10 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8c, Kh, 8d ]
Dr_Jeckyl_00 checks.
arsnl10 checks.
mcaspe1 bets (150)
YellowstoneT folds.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 calls (150)
arsnl10 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 3h ]
DADDYPOPS: BEN ON THE OTHER SIDE
Dr_Jeckyl_00 bets (360)
Dr_Jeckyl_00 is all-In.
Results in White
<font color="white"> Villain folded</font>

Pushing TT UTG ok? (had not seen good cards in a while)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: YellowstoneT (1730)
Seat 2: ShutitBeavis (305)
Seat 3: Dr_Jeckyl_00 (860)
Seat 4: arsnl10 (480)
Seat 5: mcaspe1 (1615)
Seat 8: DADDYPOPS (1325)
Seat 10: johnhorv (1685)
YellowstoneT posts small blind (50)
ShutitBeavis posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [ Ts, Tc ]
ShutitBeavis: damm
mcaspe1: some coming my way
Dr_Jeckyl_00 raises (860) to 860
Dr_Jeckyl_00 is all-In.
Results in White <font color="white">
arsnl10 folds.
DADDYPOPS: LUKY
mcaspe1 folds.
DADDYPOPS folds.
johnhorv folds.
YellowstoneT folds.
ShutitBeavis calls (205)
ShutitBeavis is all-In.
Creating Main Pot with $660 with ShutitBeavis
Creating Side Pot 1 with $555 with Dr_Jeckyl_00
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6c, Jh, 4h ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6h ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 5s ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 660 | Side Pot 1: 555
Board: [ 6c Jh 4h 6h 5s ]
YellowstoneT balance 1680, lost 50 (folded)
ShutitBeavis balance 660, bet 305, collected 660, net +355 [ Qh 2h ] [ a flush, queen high -- Qh,Jh,6h,4h,2h ]
Dr_Jeckyl_00 balance 555, bet 860, collected 555, lost -305 [ Ts Tc ] [ two pairs, tens and sixes -- Jh,Ts,Tc,6c,6h ]
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Hand 1: I often play hand one the exact same way, although I might bet on the flop. (I dunno if it's mathematically incorrect to limp with 98s i this position, but I do it too).

Hand 2: Easy shove

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

bump

[pokerdirty]

would anyone shove pf on the first one to try and pick up the blinds?

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

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would anyone shove pf on the first one to try and pick up the blinds?

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I think they call that a PVS. That looks like a steal in this situation and might get called... I don't think that I have the stack or the cards to back it up, but that would be a nice 30% increase to my stack if it worked...

[schwza]

i'd fold pre-flop with 98s, but pushing is ok too. i don't like completing. i'd check-call the flop and check the turn too. it's kind of transparent as trips, but i think it's best.

auto-push the TT hand. it'd be better if the BB had a few more chips, but you can't fold TT there 7-handed.

98s for &lt; 5% of your stack and with 7:1 pot odds? If you fold here you are folding major +EV. Pushing is also fine, depending on the table.

Don't worry about the second heart. It's heads-up and there's no reason to think he had two hearts from the flop. Even if he's playing 2 suited he has 2 hearts perhaps slightly more than 10% of the time, and completes the flush 20% of those.

Because of the king on the flop it's viable to lead and hope for a caller if you have a big stack relative to the pot IMO, but you don't, so slowplaying looks good. I'd probably check-call, cr all in.

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

another bump

[playtitleist]

Hand 1: Not sure on the limp. Would have to be read specific, I don't think any option (other than flat raise) can be cut and dried "wrong" move.

I push his flop bet though. 3 reasons:
1) You have a very strong hand
2) Villains are willing to protect their bet before seeing another card (so, I think you will see a call here more often than not). Which is really what you want
3) Things can't get a lot better for you or villain, so waiting for the turn gives villain an oportunity to back out.

2-3 mean you leave chips on the table that could have been yours.

Hand 2:

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(had not seen good cards in a while)

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I'd like to know what weight you put on this and why you included it.

[downtown]

Hand 1: I fold here, but a complete is ok in my book. The problem is when you get a lot of action on a J94 flop when you bet out, or a 824 flop, etc, etc... now you're spewing chips with a marginal hand.

I don't like a (PVS) push because I think the fact that both limping stacks have ~t1800 means they are going to look you up too often to make the move profitable.

Hand 2: Pushing is correct and your only move here.

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

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Hand 2:

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(had not seen good cards in a while)

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I'd like to know what weight you put on this and why you included it.

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I don't believe I had seen any aces w/ good kicker or pocket pairs in a while and I could not push from button or SB b/c others were in pot or my hand sucked. Blinds are getting big, I have 8xbb left... blinds going up soon, game is 7 handed w/ 4 villains that can crush me w/ their stacks and 2 shorties likely to call anyone at anytime. I don't like to play utg unless I have a monster... and I don't consider TT a monster 7 handed and especially UTG... If I had chips I would prefer to bet 3xbb so I can get away from hand if raised or pushed. TT would be a great hand if I was in late position, IMO.

[playtitleist]

Yup. Agreed. TT is not a monster UTG. I asked about that particular quote just to be sure you weren't semi-tilting and just WTFing your play here.

Since you weren't, it's close, but I think I would fold here. t150 in blinds is nice for you, but any of the 6 players to act could pick up two overs and call you. Then you are racing for your tourney life. I'd rather wait and let the BB pass me. You have shorties on both sides of you, so you can hope to get them on desperation calls next orbit. Tough spot.

Folding TT in this spot is a huge mistake in my opinion. I'd probably push 99 and 88 too. People will most often fold, and if they call, you still have a great hand.