AK at the bubble

[suited_ace]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (4 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter (http://www.pokerhand.org)

Button (t2555)
Hero (t1585)
BB (t2030)
UTG (t1830)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.

UTG pushes, Button calls, Hero?

[J-Lo]

pushes.... 'cuz the stack sizes are so close to one another.

[suited_ace]

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pushes.... 'cuz the stack sizes are so close to one another.

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Can you explain the concept a little bit better?

[SammyKid11]

Hero calls. You're crushing any lower ace a lot here, you're crushing hands like KQ and KJ, you're on the slightly bad end of a coin flip with QQ-22 (and with 5xBB and the chance that you're way ahead, that's a chance you're willing to take)...if villain shows AA-KK, tough lucky for you. I think you gotta make your stand with AK.

[runner4life7]

Fold, you have less than the 2 guys that are all in, if you had more than both or at least one i think id call but not like this.

[Taraz]

Am I the only one who thinks folding this is correct? Unless they split you are either ITM or there is a short stack with 2 BB. Another problem is that if the button wins the hand you get 4th no matter what UTG had. I think you need to have one of their chipstacks covered to call this.

[Taraz]

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Fold, you have less than the 2 guys that are all in, if you had more than both or at least one i think id call but not like this.

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I guess I'm a little slow today /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[WarmonkEd]

I gotta say fold also. You crush a lot of hands heads up, but two opponents in definitely dampens your crush-ability.

[caretaker1]

This is an interesting problem, I'm curious to see opinions and am neutral at this point.

I'm no expert, and it may be statistically incorrect, but I'd be pleased as punch to see them go at it and would fold, 'cause one of them's gonna be gone or crippled.

[Ogre]

EASY fold you are the short stack so you cant both lose and still take 3rd

[SammyKid11]

Duh...I didn't see that you were up against a pusher and a caller. Yeah, easy fold.

[suited_ace]

I did fold, but now I'm wondering what's J-Lo's point...

[caretaker1]

I'm curious because consensus seems to be fold. What is the minimum hand you'd call with here?

[Shillx]

No brainer fold. This is also an easy fold if you had 50% equity in this hand (let alone 33%). Rough estimates show that calling is about a 4% mistake if you win 1/2 the time and each of the others win 25% of of the time.

Brad

[Shillx]

Kings or aces only.

Im not sure that he noticed the button had already called.
Had the button not called its an easy call for you because the stack sizes are so close, but since he did it now becomes and easy fold.

[J-Lo]

i read the question wrong....

didn't see the caller...

If your are short stack, and you are the only person who you feel will call-- then is an easy call....

however, with another caller, you should fold, because you ARE the shortest stack-- BUT you the margin by which u are the shorter stack makes this closer... If you had 1 chip, this would be an easier fold-- if u had 1 chip MORE than the person in 4th, then this woudld be an EASIER (NOT EASY) call.

However, I DON'T KNOW what you should do if u have 1 chip less than the person in 3rd-- someone answer this question? Theoretically, i'd say you should still fold, but in the back of my mind, i feel like u have such great overlay-- if u win this 50/50 or worse, your chances of taking first go up by MORE than 3x. But the prize is only 50% of the total chips.... argh... maybe i shoudl start a new thread
someone kick my in the mouth if my thinking is off base.

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

fold... you're ITM

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

AKo is about a 61% dog 3 handed. That is about 1.6 to 1 against AK winning vs. pot odds of 2:1. So from a pot odds perspective this is a slight call. BUT you are so close to being ITM that I think this is an easy fold... cash game you probably call. I believe that in tournament play it is correct to pass on slightly +EV hands when the risk is great (you finish OOTM in the bubble)

I would agree with you to fold. It would be tough, but the only bad outcome is a split. if the button wins, you are ITM. If UTG wins, he cripples the button and leaves him with 750. Personally, i fold.

for me, KK. Otherwise, i would just let them fight it out.

[FakeKramer]

To me this is an auto-fold. Its an auto-call if button folds, but as soon as button throws in most of his chips, I'm more than willing to sit back and let him do the deed of getting us past the bubble.

[zambonidrivr]

Does this mean you fold? I figure it does as the timer would eventually auto fold you.

This is an easy fold for me. Goals: 1. Finish ITM, 2. Gamboooooool. I would rather push 72o the next hand, than call with AK here.

[schwza]

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I'm curious because consensus seems to be fold. What is the minimum hand you'd call with here?

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i'd nervously call KK and fold QQ. easy fold AK.

[MegaBet]

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To me this is an auto-fold. Its an auto-call if button folds, but as soon as button throws in most of his chips, I'm more than willing to sit back and let him do the deed of getting us past the bubble.

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Agreed.

[zambonidrivr]

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