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schwza

10-03-2005, 02:37 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 (t267)
CO (t1175)
Button (t793)
Hero (t1025)
BB (t770)
UTG (t2295)
UTG+1 (t1540)
MP1 (t135)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t30, 2 folds, CO calls t30, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t120) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks.

Turn: (t120) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
hero ?

raptor517

10-03-2005, 02:40 PM

it depends. ehot? u can lead at it for 75, or 120. you can check call. you can check raise. lots of options here. holla

schwza

10-03-2005, 02:41 PM

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ehot?

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?

raptor517

10-03-2005, 02:43 PM

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ehot?

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?

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ever.
heard.
of.
that.
?
holla

pokerdirty

10-03-2005, 02:46 PM

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it depends. ehot? u can lead at it for 75, or 120. you can check call. you can check raise. lots of options here.

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you forgot to say 'holla' /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

raptor517

10-03-2005, 02:51 PM

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it depends. ehot? u can lead at it for 75, or 120. you can check call. you can check raise. lots of options here.

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you forgot to say 'holla' /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

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i know not of what you speak. holla

schwza

10-03-2005, 05:16 PM

i was intending to check/call the turn, probably the river too. here's what happened:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 (t267)
CO (t1175)
Button (t793)
Hero (t1025)
BB (t770)
UTG (t2295)
UTG+1 (t1540)
MP1 (t135)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t30, 2 folds, CO calls t30, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t120) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks.

Turn: (t120) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks.

River: (t120) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
Hero bets t50

thoughts on all streets appreciated.

Maulik

10-03-2005, 05:23 PM

there are 3 draws and the possibility of someone having the straight.

i like the turn check. I check the river here as well, no need to be c/r in this spot with this number of players seeing 5 free cards

schwza

10-03-2005, 05:26 PM

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there are 3 draws and the possibility of someone having the straight.

i like the turn check. I check the river here as well, no need to be c/r in this spot with this number of players seeing 5 free cards

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i am sb. i can't be c/r'ed.

zambonidrivr

10-03-2005, 05:51 PM

Blinds are 30. Check, call a small bet... or better yet, fold preflop. I don't care that your SB, fold preflop.

pineapple888

10-03-2005, 05:57 PM

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Blinds are 30. Check, call a small bet... or better yet, fold preflop. I don't care that your SB, fold preflop.

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Why? Because people are limping with AJ in the 33s?

zambonidrivr

10-03-2005, 05:59 PM

because the 100 in chips you might win are meaningless. so you get check raised... then what? cool, so you've now donked off 10% of your stack in a meaningless level, with a very marginal hand.

zambonidrivr

10-03-2005, 06:00 PM

and sure... yes people are limping with AJ for sure. Some donks are even raising.

pineapple888

10-03-2005, 06:02 PM

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because the 100 in chips you might win are meaningless. so you get check raised... then what? cool, so you've now donked off 10% of your stack in a meaningless level, with a very marginal hand.

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You want to autofold into Level 5, that's your business.

No need to lecture those that actually know how to play poker before autopush time.

pineapple888

10-03-2005, 06:05 PM

My point was that most players at the 30s will be raising with AJ in late position. As they should be if they know how to play poker.

zambonidrivr

10-03-2005, 06:05 PM

i am not suggesting folding until level 5. i am only suggesting that you are out of position with a marginal hand, compounded by this being a limped pot. all players are seeing 5 cards here, and while no one is showing interest in taking it down, the risk is not worth the reward.

sorry if you are insulted Phil. My apologies

zambonidrivr

10-03-2005, 06:07 PM

u think CO is raising with AJ when UTG +1 limped? On level 2? yeah i have some learning to do. again, sorry to have caused you mental distress on this topic

pineapple888

10-03-2005, 06:10 PM

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i was intending to check/call the turn, probably the river too.

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I don't get it. If you're going to check/call, you might as well bet.

pineapple888

10-03-2005, 06:16 PM

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u think CO is raising with AJ when UTG +1 limped? On level 2? yeah i have some learning to do. again, sorry to have caused you mental distress on this topic

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You really think UTG+1 limpers at Level 2 in the 33s usually have KK or AA? Yeah, maybe you do have some learning to do.

I felt mental distress at the know-it-all tone of your original post, especially when it is far from a cut-and-dried issue.

zambonidrivr

10-03-2005, 06:19 PM

are AA and KK the only hands that beat A10? I am confusted. Look, drop it. No longer listening to your garbage. Sorry if I sounded like a jerk.

pokerlaw

10-03-2005, 06:38 PM

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i was intending to check/call the turn, probably the river too. here's what happened:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 (t267)
CO (t1175)
Button (t793)
Hero (t1025)
BB (t770)
UTG (t2295)
UTG+1 (t1540)
MP1 (t135)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t30, 2 folds, CO calls t30, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t120) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks.

Turn: (t120) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks.

River: (t120) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
Hero bets t50

thoughts on all streets appreciated.

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Here, I like to lead the turn to try and take it down - t100 seems goot.

HOWEVER, since you checked, I don't see the point of betting a river which might have made someone hit trips. I like to check down the river and hope my hand holds here.

pineapple888

10-03-2005, 09:05 PM

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No longer listening to your garbage. Sorry if I sounded like a jerk.

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"If"? Read your next-to-last sentence again. Hope to see you at the tables. Peace out.