$33 - 88 overpair multiway

[schwza]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG (t710)
UTG+1 (t740)
UTG+2 (t425)
MP1 (t745)
MP2 (t740)
Hero (t770)
CO (t800)
Button (t1285)
SB (t770)
BB (t1015)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls t15, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t30</font>, Hero calls t30, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls t15, UTG calls t15.

Flop: (t130) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t100</font>, BB calls t100, UTG folds, MP2 folds.

Turn: (t330) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t100</font>, hero?

[pooh74]

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG (t710)
UTG+1 (t740)
UTG+2 (t425)
MP1 (t745)
MP2 (t740)
Hero (t770)
CO (t800)
Button (t1285)
SB (t770)
BB (t1015)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls t15, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t30</font>, Hero calls t30, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls t15, UTG calls t15.

Flop: (t130) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t100</font>, BB calls t100, UTG folds, MP2 folds.

Turn: (t330) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t100</font>, hero?

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Yuk...Villain being BB makes nailing down his range difficult, thats what youre getting at?

I could see this bet when he has/had top pair and a gutshot. I'd raise it up here. I think If you were behind (made str8) he would bet stronger what with the flush draw etc...So I interpret this as a blocking bet, not a "look weak, actually strong" bet. I'd raise planning on getting in on the river. If he draws out, he draws out...but I think you're ahead here.

Edit: by raise, I dont mean "so I can get away from it", I would push if I thought he would call. By rasing less than my whole stack I am only doing so for extracting value.

[schwza]

i'm about 99.9% sure i'm ahead here. the question is how to win the most and reduce risk.

how much would you raise?

[mike28]

I agree, I don't see him check calling w/ a set or made straight on that flop. I think it looks like he turned crap 2 pair and is protecting.

I raise to t300ish

[bigt439]

Raise it up and look to get allin. 300 or 325 sounds good on the turn. You don't have to go nuts trying to price him out because diamonds are unlikely and you're already pricing out gutshots.

[pooh74]

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i'm about 99.9% sure i'm ahead here. the question is how to win the most and reduce risk.

how much would you raise?

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Lol, After I wrote my post I realized this would be you response...I answered very 101ish...sorry.

Anyway, I'd raise 200-250 more. I think thats about as much as he would pay to see another card. I'd especially push the river if no D comes to make it look like I missed a flush. If a d comes Ill bet half pot...again, I am not worried about the flush draw here, but instead about how its presence can gain me more chips from villain...thats all. I really think its a gutshot with a pair...call me crazy

I push, the only hand he has that can beat you is 75. You were first in on the flop, now he's leading into you, he likes his hand. Your going to get called alot of times by hands your way ahead of. I think any raise other than a push looks too suspicious.

I also hate being sucked out on, unless I'm already all-in.

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52...but its moot.

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oops /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[schwza]

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Raise it up and look to get allin. 300 or 325 sounds good on the turn. You don't have to go nuts trying to price him out because diamonds are unlikely and you're already pricing out gutshots.

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you and pooh say diamonds are unlikely. how come?

[pooh74]

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I push, the only hand he has that can beat you is 75. You were first in on the flop, now he's leading into you, he likes his hand. Your going to get called alot of times by hands your way ahead of. I think any raise other than a push looks too suspicious.

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52...but its moot

[pooh74]

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Raise it up and look to get allin. 300 or 325 sounds good on the turn. You don't have to go nuts trying to price him out because diamonds are unlikely and you're already pricing out gutshots.

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you and pooh say diamonds are unlikely. how come?

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Its not that I think they are impossible. In fact, I could see the flop call and the turn block bet being indicative of a diamond draw-a sort of semi bluff-block. But I also think its the less likely of the hands I put him on. The problem is, you cant find out, so in the meantime, do your best of extracting value while pricing out at the same time...thats the best you can do. If I was leaning more towards having him on the d draw, I guess then a push would be better, but I like the good ol' fashion raise myself.

[bigt439]

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Raise it up and look to get allin. 300 or 325 sounds good on the turn. You don't have to go nuts trying to price him out because diamonds are unlikely and you're already pricing out gutshots.

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you and pooh say diamonds are unlikely. how come?

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Its not that I think they are impossible. In fact, I could see the flop call and the turn block bet being indicative of a diamond draw-a sort of semi bluff-block. But I also think its the less likely of the hands I put him on. The problem is, you cant find out, so in the meantime, do your best of extracting value while pricing out at the same time...thats the best you can do. If I was leaning more towards having him on the d draw, I guess then a push would be better, but I like the good ol' fashion raise myself.

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What he said. In addition the buy-in would make me rather raise than push because it is probably going to be less suspicious here than at higher levels.

Stop and go on diamonds there seems like a wierd play especially for a 33er. Not discounting it, just I can think of so many other hands that would do that before diamonds would.