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nolimitpro2005
10-03-2005, 11:07 AM
Brunson and Reese were ecorted off of table 1 and out of the bellagio this week.

And the Doyle Brunson tournament is so close....I can't help but wonder.....

No rumor. It's confirmed. But what they were escorted out for, that is up for debate. However, I can only assume it would involve collusion in an ultra high stakes game.

That being said, can you imagine anyone in their right mind who would have played with Brunson, Pearson and Preston when they all sat at the same table on the same BR?

Please post any details if you become privy to them.
dibbs
10-03-2005, 11:12 AM
They were tired and management felt they needed a nap.
DcifrThs
10-03-2005, 11:29 AM
what are the possible reasons management escorts players out.

im going to check doyle brunsons web site (if he has one)

Barron
SheridanCat
10-03-2005, 11:33 AM
Confirmed where and by whom? This is a tremendously unlikely rumor.

Regards,

T
DcifrThs
10-03-2005, 11:35 AM
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what are the possible reasons management escorts players out.

im going to check doyle brunsons web site (if he has one)

Barron

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nothin i can immediately find on the internet.

Barron
tonypaladino
10-03-2005, 11:53 AM
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No rumor. It's confirmed.

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Well that settles it. It must be totally true if you say so, regardless of the fact you cite no sources.

Doyle has trouble walking, and has been seen with a crutch or cane. Could it be the floorperson or security guard was helping him out of the room so he doesn't bust his ass?
CCovington
10-03-2005, 11:59 AM
Don't post this crap unless you can provide a credible source
tonypaladino
10-03-2005, 12:02 PM
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Don't post this crap unless you can provide a credible source

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I'll assume that was meant for OP?
danvh
10-03-2005, 12:29 PM
Not only is he a horrible cheater he doesnt learn his lesson. I mean busted this week..AND 3 weeks ago (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=3381504&page=&view=&sb=5& o=&vc=1).

For shame
dogmeat
10-03-2005, 01:42 PM
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Brunson and Reese were ecorted off of table 1 and out of the bellagio this week.

And the Doyle Brunson tournament is so close....I can't help but wonder.....

No rumor. It's confirmed. But what they were escorted out for, that is up for debate. However, I can only assume it would involve collusion in an ultra high stakes game.

That being said, can you imagine anyone in their right mind who would have played with Brunson, Pearson and Preston when they all sat at the same table on the same BR?

Please post any details if you become privy to them.

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I'm privy to a number of details, and I know some players that have been around a long time:

Doyle, Sailor Roberts and Amarillo Slim shared a bankroll for several years - this included money for poker, and their sportbetting shops in Texas in the late 1950's. They talked poker and sports betting all the time, and these three guys were three of the 10-15 best hold'em players of all time. Sailor kept the sportsbook going after Slim and Doyle quit making book, and he was busted and sent to prison in the early '60's. When that happened, they no longer shared a bankroll.

Forty years later, there are a lot of players who are jealous of Doyle, and Chip Reese has also been an easy target for small-minded people - after being a very successful player for the past thirty years.

If ever there was a group of unhappy, jealous, small-minded people, believe me, it is Vegas Poker players who are grinding away at small and mid-limits, and just can't believe that some of the best names in poker are actually better players than the rest of us.

FWIW, some very good players at this year's WSOP were telling anybody that would listen how bad/lucky/stupid Greg Raymer-Chris Moneymaker-Robert Varconi were. The fact that none of the complainers had a gold-bracelet or even a final-table finish should tell you something about their ability, and probably about their reliability in the rumor mill they feed with their garbage.

FurtherFWIW, if you read things on 2+2 with any detail, you will also see a lot of posts about TV-star players who are lucky/stupid/morons etc. - I would suggest you always consider the source. I know I even posted a laugh about Dutch Boyd having a "meltdown" at a RAZZ final table - but at least he got there, so my bad.

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Ulysses
10-03-2005, 02:22 PM
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But what they were escorted out for, that is up for debate.

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These are guys that play $4000/8000 limit poker. They could easily have just had $1M+ cash on them at the moment that they were taking out of the casino for some reason rather than putting in their box. If that were the case, an escort is standard.
lighterjobs
10-03-2005, 04:27 PM
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But what they were escorted out for, that is up for debate.

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These are guys that play $4000/8000 limit poker. They could easily have just had $1M+ cash on them at the moment that they were taking out of the casino for some reason rather than putting in their box. If that were the case, an escort is standard.

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i was just about to post the same thing.

i'm sure all the players who are in the "big game" get escorted out of the casino to their vehicles.

i know i wouldn't want to walk through a casino being known as playing the highest stakes possible in the city, especially if i was 60-70 years old.
Mason Malmuth
10-03-2005, 05:28 PM
Hi pro:

I played at The Bellagio on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday nights. If something like this concerning collusion would have happened, I would have heard of it. My guess is that if they were escorted out, it was done so at their request.

Best wishes,
Mason
M2d
10-03-2005, 05:42 PM
they should just buy a blue mask. it would warn off any would be neer-do-wells.
benfranklin
10-03-2005, 06:42 PM
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Brunson and Reese were ecorted off of table 1 and out of the bellagio this week.

No rumor. It's confirmed.

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Thank you for that detailed confirmation.

This same rumor was posted here a few weeks ago, also "confirmed". So, despite that, the Bellagio let them back in, and they got caught cheating again, right? The Bellagio floor probably didn't recognized them. They may have been wearing disguises.

Posting this kind of obvious rumor without facts to back it up is irresponsible and clueless.
DesertCat
10-04-2005, 12:29 AM
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Claiming this rumour was "confirmed" without backing it up is scummy. I think the moderator should consider whether this offense is worth a ban...
whiskeytown
10-04-2005, 12:50 AM
I've looked over some of his previous posts - it wouldn't hurt the forum in the slightest - half troll/half numbskull - (a reverse reraise where you pull back your bet if you're reraised - LOL - yah, that's allowed in every major casino <snort> - but he does it all the time)

RB
Ulysses
10-04-2005, 01:18 AM
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Claiming this rumour was "confirmed" without backing it up is scummy. I think the moderator should consider whether this offense is worth a ban...

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In OP's defense, what he claimed was confirmed was the fact that they left the casino with escorts.
10-04-2005, 01:41 AM
normally esp for players of doyle and reese's caliber there sessions unless on a losing or bad night will prob start at say 8-10pm and run till about 3-5am or until the game breaks (which can be quite a while) now both of these players are playing huge stakes and are getting kind of elderly.

so 60-70 year old man, walking to his car in the dark parking lot of a casino (full of desparate and broke addicited gamblers) at 4-5am with a couple hundred grand.....id ask for an escort as well

id ask for a full swat team if i had potentially up to a 500k in a cardboard box or breifcase or whatever i could possibly be carrying
ChipWrecked
10-04-2005, 02:20 AM
Has Russ Georgiev been consulted?
whiskeytown
10-04-2005, 02:47 AM
sheeeit - I got nervous walking in Jersey with 500 bucks, and I wasn't a made mark like Doyle -

I'd ask for an escort home -

RB
DesertCat
10-04-2005, 10:17 AM
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In OP's defense, what he claimed was confirmed was the fact that they left the casino with escorts.

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He also put collusion in the title and the following quote "However, I can only assume it would involve collusion in an ultra high stakes game.".

If there is a line he's skimming real close to it, kind of like pulling a bet back after a re-raise.
Clarkmeister
10-04-2005, 10:28 AM
It's astounding to me that a scumbag like Doyle is idolized the way he is.
Ulysses
10-04-2005, 11:10 AM
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I'm sorry, what were you saying?
ChicagoTroy
10-04-2005, 11:14 AM
It sounds like his scumbagginess is obvious enough that it's not inappropriate to ask for a clarification. Since I've got no idea what you're talking about, and pretty much all the celebrities get accused of cheating/collusion/sucking, could you elaborate, or indicate where I might look for reliable info?
KaneKungFu123
10-04-2005, 01:01 PM
what a great place to put my dick
MicroBob
10-04-2005, 04:31 PM
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I can only assume it would involve collusion

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unless, of course, they just decided that they were done playing for the evenings and wanted an escort.


Feel free to post again the next time Doyle decides to sit-in at a game and/or decides to quit playing for the evening.
It's incredibly interesting and post-worthy information.
4_2_it
10-04-2005, 04:49 PM
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Feel free to post again the next time Doyle decides to sit-in at a game and/or decides to quit playing for the evening.
It's incredibly interesting and post-worthy information.

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Also remember to include whether he was wearing his trademark 10 gallon hat and how many wheelbarrows he needed to get his winnings to his car.
Luv2DriveTT
10-04-2005, 06:27 PM
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It's astounding to me that a scumbag like Doyle is idolized the way he is.

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He hired Rogers & Cowan. They did an amazing job cleaning him up for public idolization. Scary, isn't it?

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2+2 wannabe
10-04-2005, 07:37 PM
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what a great place to put my dick

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LOL
JihadOnTheRiver
10-04-2005, 08:07 PM
you have a picture of ivey as your avatar. that is all...
MCS
10-04-2005, 08:44 PM
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you have a picture of ivey as your avatar. that is all...

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Unless you are making some sort of point I'm missing, you are wrong.
JihadOnTheRiver
10-04-2005, 09:05 PM
Oh sh.it. Oops. Black guys all...nevermind. My point was merely that OP is a douche. Oh well, my point still remains valid.
andyfox
10-04-2005, 11:55 PM
Why? A guy like Benny Binion was idolized in Vegas and John Wayne is still America's favorite movie star.
flair1239
10-05-2005, 12:21 AM
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It sounds like his scumbagginess is obvious enough that it's not inappropriate to ask for a clarification. Since I've got no idea what you're talking about, and pretty much all the celebrities get accused of cheating/collusion/sucking, could you elaborate, or indicate where I might look for reliable info?

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You are not going to get a straight answer. Clarkmeister probably just posted that for kicks, to see how many people he can get to beg him to tell them why.

Then some of his buddies will come on the thread and make some cryptic comments that seem to corroborate what Clark said.
Clarkmeister
10-05-2005, 12:28 AM
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Why? A guy like Benny Binion was idolized in Vegas and John Wayne is still America's favorite movie star.

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Benny was fine depending on who you count as human.
MCS
10-05-2005, 12:32 AM
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It sounds like his scumbagginess is obvious enough that it's not inappropriate to ask for a clarification. Since I've got no idea what you're talking about, and pretty much all the celebrities get accused of cheating/collusion/sucking, could you elaborate, or indicate where I might look for reliable info?

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You are not going to get a straight answer. Clarkmeister probably just posted that for kicks, to see how many people he can get to beg him to tell them why.

Then some of his buddies will come on the thread and make some cryptic comments that seem to corroborate what Clark said.

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Seems pretty accurate so far.

All I've heard are the same stories as everyone else about Doyle and Chip colluding.

I posted this in another thread: "I think I recall Clark once said there is (implicit) collusion in the Big Game to such a degree that no non-regulars can win. "
scrapperdog
10-05-2005, 08:14 PM
Doyle is paranoid about getting robbed and I dont blame him. In one of his books he describes how he and his traveling companion got robbed at gunpoint and tied up and left on the side of the road. This does not need to happen to a person too many times before they ask for an escort.