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-Skeme-

10-03-2005, 10:35 AM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (5 handed)

Button (t1370)
SB (t1210)
Hero (t1305)
UTG (t4800)
MP (t4815)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls t100, 1 fold, Button calls t100, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: (t350) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero bets t200, UTG raises to t600, Button folds, Hero calls t400.

Turn: (t1550) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets t700, Hero ??
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I'm getting over 3.7:1 on my call, and I figure him to only have a Jack, but not AJ, so my Aces are still live. Against the range I've put him on, I'm about a 2.3:1 underdog, so I have the current odds, and folding would leave me crippled, but still in the game.

Am I getting too much of an overlay to even think of folding? Also, what's a better line for this hand? Should I just be folding to this flop raise? If I think I can get his whole stack if I hit the turn, should I be calling? Or am I too short to even be considering this?

Thanks a lot.

ezmogee

10-03-2005, 10:38 AM

No at this point you cant fold, bc you only have 700 chips left, youll be the shortstack and blinds are 50/100.

That said, in this type of situation, I'd check/raise the flop hard or allin. Get it allin on the flop as the raiser.

That will avoid tough decisions like these.

the_joker

10-03-2005, 10:40 AM

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Also, what's a better line for this hand?

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Check/fold the flop? I don't think you have enough chips to be chasing draws.

durron597

10-03-2005, 10:41 AM

Fold flop to his raise. You aren't quite getting 3:1 and you need 5:1. Plus your implied odds aren't there since one of your OESD outs is an ace, and he might fold a Jack on the turn if an ace hits. So just fold flop. Unless of course you think there's a chance he'll fold QJ on this board (very unlikely in the $16s) in which case I would push the flop.

On the turn, of course call.

durron597

10-03-2005, 10:43 AM

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Also, what's a better line for this hand?

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Check/fold the flop? I don't think you have enough chips to be chasing draws.

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He takes the pot down a lot of the time with his 200 chip bet if a Jack isn't out.

I really think this is a clear bet/fold flop.

-Skeme-

10-03-2005, 10:52 AM

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Check/fold the flop? I don't think you have enough chips to be chasing draws.

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I have a good amount of fold equity with my flop lead. To Durron, I don't think an Ace would stop Villain from putting in his whole stack. It seems folding to his flop raise is the best play. After his raise, no, I do not think he's folding to an all in.

How much do you guys figure I need to make the flop call.

pooh74

10-03-2005, 11:17 AM

There are two other stacks your size and two big ones. That is what is key about this hand to me.

I am either going broke or doubling up here and I want all of the FE I can get out of my draw. I would CR all-in on the flop, or check fold. The way the hand played out it looks like he likes his hand...but on the flop you have no idea, so I would use my last bit of stack getting him to fold...and if not, I have 8 outs.

Probably the worst mistake I ever see is a player putting half their stack in and retreating.

-Skeme-

10-03-2005, 11:23 AM

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Probably the worst mistake I ever see is a player putting half their stack in and retreating.

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True. I like a flop check-raise in this spot, too.

the_joker

10-03-2005, 11:49 AM

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I am either going broke or doubling up here

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Why's is everyone so impatient on this hand? You have 12 BB left and are even with the other 2 third place stacks at the table. I don't think you have much fold equity on a check-raise against the giant stack.

pooh74

10-03-2005, 12:16 PM

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Why's is everyone so impatient on this hand? You have 12 BB left and are even with the other 2 third place stacks at the table. I don't think you have much fold equity on a check-raise against the giant stack.

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No I meant...If I am playing this hand, that is the outcome. I did say I could check fold this flop too. But that is where my perception of villain tips the scale. If I view villain as Lagish, I will CR all in. If I see him as rockish I could easily check fold. Somewhere in between the two I let my mood decide.

-Skeme-

10-03-2005, 12:27 PM

I wind down the timer while adding up my odds and figuring my range. I call, he has QJo and I fail to improve.

Nick M

10-17-2005, 07:55 PM

check fold I think is the best option. blinds are hella low for the amount of people left.

FWIW...calling the flop raise was the big mistake in this hand. I also saw someone say to check raise all in...i hate that play cause there is less chance of opponent folding if he already put money in the pot. You don't really have much of a stack to put check raise pressure on anyone.

ohhhhhh and i guess you ran into aces/kings right?

SCfuji

10-17-2005, 08:01 PM

hey skeme

i actually like a turn push with your flop line. but im weird like that.