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[Tommy Angelo]

$80-160 at Bay101. The game was four-handed when I got there. Here's how the lineup looked, players A, B, C, D.

Player A does not play against player C. By that I mean 1) Player A and C chop the blinds, even shorthanded. 2) Anytime a pot comes down to just the two of them, they check it out. 3) Everyone knows about 1 and 2 and nobody cares, and if they do, too bad.

Player D just lost a big pot to player B. Player D looked like someone at the wrong end of a sacrifice. He had two stacks of chips and I read him for no rebuy. Player B had about a rack now, after winning that pot. Players A and C had about four racks each and they were giving up nothing. Player B had lots of chatter and gamble at the moment. (One of things he sometimes mentions during his chatters when I'm there is that I fold the blinds a lot and that I'm easy to bluff out.)

I sat to the right of player A and I took the big blind. An hour later, player D was gone, and player B's stack was five big bets, with two hands to go.

I took the big blind. Player A folded. Player B had the button. He "never" openlimps on the button, but he did this time, and because of his fatigue, his almost-raise-but-just-call was so transparent that Player C, in the small blind, let out a rare HA! laugh while he called two chips. I checked in the big blind with Q-10. Three players to the flop with me second.

The flop came 10-9-4. The small blind checked, I checked, the button bet, the small blind called, and I folded. The turn was a four. The small blind checked, the button bet, the small blind checkraised, and the button called, severely flustered. The river was a blank. The small blind bet and the button called. The small blind showed king-four (sooted) for trip fours. The button showed pocket aces.

The next hand, I was in the small blind, player A had the big blind, and player B raised, all-in for two bets, before the cards were dealt. Player C folded on the button. I reraised with A2. The big blind folded. We ran the board out and my ace-high was good. Player B stood and walked. Game over. Of course the main thought going through my mind when the floorman dumped a dozen empty racks onto the table was damn, it's my button.


Tommy

[jayheaps]

nice laydown.

[augie00]

How long did it take you to muck that QT on the flop? Were you ready to turbo-muck unless you hit the flop hard? Would you have stuck around until the turn had you flopped a queen?

[Lawrence Ng]

I hate second guessing and I like how Tommy really trusts his instincts here.

I had JJ on the button in a pretty good 20-40 game. Some guy limps UTG, folded to me and I raise and blinds fold, now this guy 3-bets. He never ever has limped-re-raised.

Never




EVER




NEVER EVER!




It's AA or KK. Either one.



Like for sure.



FOR SURE MAN!!!!!!!



LIKE SO TOTALLY FOR SURE!!!!!




I call.




Flop is rags



I mean rags.




like a 3-6-T RAINBOW BOARD MAN!!!!




LIKE I TOTALLY [censored] MISS!




HE FIRES A BET!!!





LIKE REALLY CONFIDENTLY!!!





LIKE HE AIN'T AFRAID OF NOTHING!!!







and I pay off like the newb I am. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif





like the newb I am.....



LIKE THE NEWB I [censored] AM!!!!!




Lawrence

[tonysoldier]

Good fold on the flop, but just barely I think. Really close, nice play.

[threepines]

Nice read, Tommy. Nevertheless, I take a card off in the hopes of spiking a q or 10 on the turn. Although you're only getting 5 to 1 on a 39 (assuming 2 aces known) to 6 shot, your implied odds are much better.

[mmbt0ne]

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Nice read, Tommy. Nevertheless, I take a card off in the hopes of spiking a q or 10 on the turn. Although you're only getting 5 to 1 on a 39 (assuming 2 aces known) to 6 shot, your implied odds are much better.

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Tommy has to assume that SB knows what's going on with player B too. This means that his T outs might not exist, or he might already be hopelessly behind to a set after the call.

[bicyclekick]

Nice one tommy.

[Tommy Angelo]

"Tommy has to assume that SB knows what's going on with player B too. This means that his T outs might not exist, or he might already be hopelessly behind to a set after the call."

You left out the ugliest scenario which is the small blind has J-8 or K-J and now the queen comes on the turn.

Tommy

[Boris]

Great post.

how's chau vu doing?

[andyfox]

It's funny sometimes (funny peculiar not funny amusing) how easy it is for me to see, as an observing bystander, and think, "This guy has pocket aces, I'd fold with a loser," when I'm sitting at the table observing two other players battle it out. And then when I get into the fray, I guess it's just as easy to see but not so easy to throw away top pair or an overpair.

Which separates a good player like me from a great player like Tommy.

[climber]

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I took the big blind. Player A folded. Player B had the button. He "never" openlimps on the button, but he did this time, and because of his fatigue, his almost-raise-but-just-call was so transparent that Player C, in the small blind, let out a rare HA! laugh while he called two chips. I checked in the big blind with Q-10. Three players to the flop with me second.

The flop came 10-9-4. The small blind checked, I checked, the button bet, the small blind called, and I folded.

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Can someone spell out for the forum newbs/lurkers how this works?

I have only played live once and I understand that for some read-based stuff that sometimes "you just know."

However, Tommy supplied all this info and a bunch of you are going "oh yeah, nice laydown."

What sepicifcally in what Tommy said let you put this guy on an overpair or AA specifically? And how is the small blinds actions related to the flop fold?

It took me a couple readings of the post to kind of "get it" but I still kind of feeling like I'm just pretending to get it. Any help appreciated.

[shmahappens]

Nice game selection.

I often get an 'Emperor's new clothes' feeling with Tommy's posts as well. I think the point is that when someone limps in a shorthanded game its often because they don't JUST want to steal the blinds, usually because they've got a monster. But I'm not sure I 'get' it either /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[W. Deranged]

Tommy,

This is a great post. It really encourages me because I know that when I'm feeling really good about my game I feel capable of making laydowns like this but when I'm playing poorly I almost never can and start second guessing my impulses.

Best one I ever made was somewhat similar.

Borgata 20/40

The MP cold-caller in question is an interesting nitty regular who likes to show up at the 20/40 and play only as long as is necessary for him to show ANY profit, after which he likes to leave and go sailing. He talks way to much, and has spent much of the past couple of days explaining to my friend and I (naive, mathematical college students, of course) that "all that probability stuff is bullsh..."

I open raise with A /images/graemlins/spade.gif T /images/graemlins/spade.gif after a couple of folds. A terrible player cold-calls, the villain-sailor-probability hater calls, one blind completes.

Flop: T 7 3 rainbow.

I look over and the villain-sailor-probability hater actually shows his cards to my friend, who is sitting right next to him.

I bet, the villain-sailor calls and the terrible BB calls.

Turn is a 6.

Villain-sailor now verbally says "just look at that... do you see that..." and gets a big smile on his face.

I check, villain bets confidently, BB folds, and I fold.

Villain later tables 5 /images/graemlins/heart.gif 4 /images/graemlins/heart.gif and says "I never lose with a 45 suited. So you can take your probability [censored] and shove it right up your ass."

[BarronVangorToth]

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take your probability [censored] and shove it right up your ass."

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And people say there aren't enough good quotes for memorable T-shirts...

Barron Vangor Toth
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[DrSavage]

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Best one I ever made was somewhat similar.


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Villain-sailor now verbally says "just look at that... do you see that..." and gets a big smile on his face.


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Only the subtlest of minds playing their A game can pick up on a tell so undetectable to mere humans.

[bigfishead]

Really sorry to hear you didnt get your button Tommy. Hang in there tho man. Maybe next time they'll go bust when your about to get the BB.

My thoughts and prayers are with you in these hard felt times.

[MrFeelNothin]

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My thoughts and prayers are with you in these hard felt times.

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pun intended?

[climber]

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I took the big blind. Player A folded. Player B had the button. He "never" openlimps on the button, but he did this time, and because of his fatigue, his almost-raise-but-just-call was so transparent that Player C, in the small blind, let out a rare HA! laugh while he called two chips. I checked in the big blind with Q-10. Three players to the flop with me second.

The flop came 10-9-4. The small blind checked, I checked, the button bet, the small blind called, and I folded.

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Can someone spell out for the forum newbs/lurkers how this works?

I have only played live once and I understand that for some read-based stuff that sometimes "you just know."

However, Tommy supplied all this info and a bunch of you are going "oh yeah, nice laydown."

What sepicifcally in what Tommy said let you put this guy on an overpair or AA specifically? And how is the small blinds actions related to the flop fold?

It took me a couple readings of the post to kind of "get it" but I still kind of feeling like I'm just pretending to get it. Any help appreciated.

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Come on someone take one minute and fill me in please.

[SparkyDog]

Tommy's one of the best hold em players on this site, that's currently active. Go through and read all his old posts, they'll improve your game, and will probably make you think about poker in a different way than you're accustomed to. So yeah, without sounding too much like a fanboy... that's it in a nutshell.

[Ryno]

You'll "just know" a lot of times playing live. Tommy's good because he actually folds.

[andyfox]

"because of his fatigue, his almost-raise-but-just-call was so transparent that Player C, in the small blind, let out a rare HA! laugh"

The guy never limped on the button before. He almost raised, but then just limped. Since the guy was fatigued, it wasn't a fake-out, it was a slow-play with a big hand.

[climber]

thanks andy--that almost rasie but just call because of fatigue phrase had me a little confused.

...yeah i have read quite a few of tommy's posts from the archives

...i like that distinction that others make the same reads just dont have the willpower to act on them

[bigfishead]

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My thoughts and prayers are with you in these hard felt times.

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pun intended?

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Give the man a cookie!

[Mikey]

"Player D looked like someone at the wrong end of a sacrifice."

This is one of the funniest things I've read.