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10-03-2005, 02:47 AM
Things like this happen quite often: I'm sure that if I raise a bit, I will probably get callers, because I have less FE. We always go all-in because that gives us more FE, but don't we want callers with AA?
I'm sorry if this is standard or something, but I don't know. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

***** Hand History for Game 2816782970 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:16285358 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Monday, October 03, 02:38:05 EDT 2005
Table Table 12713 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: ThaZenMaster ( $1130 )
Seat 4: em1nemfan ( $2150 )
Seat 5: SimLeDINGUE ( $1020 )
Seat 6: bootatata ( $1790 )
Seat 8: rehab4poker ( $435 )
Seat 9: CasinoJim46 ( $1475 )
Trny:16285358 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bootatata [ As Ac ]
em1nemfan calls [200].
SimLeDINGUE calls [200].
bootatata is all-In [1790]
rehab4poker folds.
CasinoJim46 folds.
ThaZenMaster folds.
em1nemfan folds.
SimLeDINGUE folds.
bootatata does not show cards.
bootatata wins 2490 chips

BTW, later this game I lost an all-in and had to go all-in UTG with Q2s because I would have <2BB if I didn't. They called me tilty. /images/graemlins/smile.gif (SNGPT does not agree.)

pergesu
10-03-2005, 02:50 AM
Pop it to like 600. Just because you're playing doesn't mean you have to push, it's just that the vast majority of the time we have a hand that doesn't want callers. AA doesn't fall into that category.

10-03-2005, 03:02 AM
Thanks, that was what I was thinking.

I did hope I would get a caller this time though. I had pushed several times already (and they noticed it) AND there were two callers, including a pretty shortstacked one... Ah well.

Pete H
10-03-2005, 03:19 AM
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Pop it to like 600. Just because you're playing doesn't mean you have to push, it's just that the vast majority of the time we have a hand that doesn't want callers. AA doesn't fall into that category.

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I'll very happily take the 700 uncontested.

I won't ever miniraise here and risk BB and limpers seeing cheap flop.

Besides quite often you'll get a call from limper with midpair.

NP: Sentenced - The Trooper

pergesu
10-03-2005, 03:21 AM
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Pop it to like 600. Just because you're playing doesn't mean you have to push, it's just that the vast majority of the time we have a hand that doesn't want callers. AA doesn't fall into that category.

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I'll very happily take the 700 uncontested.

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That's a mistake when you can get 2000+

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I won't ever miniraise here and risk BB and limpers seeing cheap flop.

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Hence the suggestion to pop it to 600. Go for 700 if you really feel like it.

raptor517
10-03-2005, 03:33 AM
625 is sublime.. holla

Pete H
10-03-2005, 03:36 AM
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Pop it to like 600. Just because you're playing doesn't mean you have to push, it's just that the vast majority of the time we have a hand that doesn't want callers. AA doesn't fall into that category.

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I'll very happily take the 700 uncontested.

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That's a mistake when you can get 2000+

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I think it's a mistake to vary your raises based on hand strength.

I push with all of the hands I'm going to play here.

Miniraising in this spot screams for high pair and actually might have more FE than a push. Especially if you've already pushed few times.

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I won't ever miniraise here and risk BB and limpers seeing cheap flop.

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Hence the suggestion to pop it to 600. Go for 700 if you really feel like it.

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I didn't say minraise (which would of course be even worse).

If anyone's gonna call 400-500 more, he'd call a push as the stacks are so short.

NP: Tankard - Iron Maiden

10-03-2005, 05:37 AM
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I think it's a mistake to vary your raises based on hand strength.

I push with all of the hands I'm going to play here.

Miniraising in this spot screams for high pair and actually might have more FE than a push. Especially if you've already pushed few times.


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This is a $33, not a $215+. I think that if someone has alrady paid $200, and you minraise, he will almost always call. If you make it $600 he'll call a little less but still more than when you push, I think.

I never showed the hands that I pushed with, so they probably thought I was bluffing or something anyway. (Why else did someone call his entire 10BB stack off with KJs when I pushed with AQs?)

You overestimate your opponents. /images/graemlins/smile.gif