A 2-7 hand played by a friend of ours

[Luv2DriveTT]

Comments on all streets... MGritters play.


Hand #8513913-7096 at Rye ($2/$4 Triple Draw 2-7)
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Started at 03/Oct/05 00:09:23

mgritter is at seat 0 with $171.75.
poopstain420 is at seat 1 with $224.75.
Sup_Dawg is at seat 2 with $114.
PatOnAJack is at seat 3 with $188.50.
Frank Adams is at seat 4 with $185.25.
FBIAgent is at seat 5 with $152.50.
The button is at seat 3.

Frank Adams posts the small blind of $1.
FBIAgent posts the big blind of $2.

mgritter: -- -- -- -- --
poopstain420: -- -- -- -- --
Sup_Dawg: -- -- -- -- --
PatOnAJack: -- -- -- -- --
Frank Adams: -- -- -- -- --
FBIAgent: -- -- -- -- --

First Round:

mgritter raises to $4. poopstain420 folds. Sup_Dawg
calls. PatOnAJack folds. Frank Adams folds.
FBIAgent calls.

FBIAgent takes 1 card. mgritter takes 2 cards.
Sup_Dawg takes 2 cards.

mgritter: -- -- -- -- --
Sup_Dawg: -- -- -- -- --
FBIAgent: -- -- -- -- --

Second Round:

FBIAgent bets $2. mgritter raises to $4. Sup_Dawg
folds. FBIAgent re-raises to $6. mgritter re-raises
to $8. FBIAgent calls.

FBIAgent stands pat. mgritter stands pat.

mgritter: -- -- -- -- --
FBIAgent: -- -- -- -- --

Third Round:

FBIAgent checks. mgritter bets $4. FBIAgent calls.


FBIAgent stands pat. mgritter stands pat.

mgritter: -- -- -- -- --
FBIAgent: -- -- -- -- --

Final Round:

FBIAgent checks. mgritter bets $4. FBIAgent calls.




Showdown:

mgritter shows 8s 6h 5h 4s 2d.
mgritter has 8 6 5 4 2.
FBIAgent shows ........ <font color="white"> the second nutz </font>

[timprov]

I shouldn't give my full thoughts since I may be biased by the results. But I will say I don't think it's possible for a decent TD player to take FBIAgent's line here except in one circumstance. Then again he took a weird line in a similar pat/pat pat/pat spot against Mark with a wheel a couple of hands before this one.

[timprov]

By the way, who's your other friend, Merc? Someone we know?

[MarkGritter]

Here is the earlier hand to which Tim refers.

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Hand #8513913-7094 at Rye ($2/$4 Triple Draw 2-7)
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Started at 03/Oct/05 00:07:12

mgritter is at seat 0 with $189.75.
poopstain420 is at seat 1 with $228.75.
Sup_Dawg is at seat 2 with $97.25.
PatOnAJack is at seat 3 with $191.50.
Frank Adams is at seat 4 with $195.25.
FBIAgent is at seat 5 with $137.25.
The button is at seat 1.

Sup_Dawg posts the small blind of $1.
PatOnAJack posts the big blind of $2.

mgritter: 3h 4c 7d 8s Qc
poopstain420: -- -- -- -- --
Sup_Dawg: -- -- -- -- --
PatOnAJack: -- -- -- -- --
Frank Adams: -- -- -- -- --
FBIAgent: -- -- -- -- --

First Round:

Frank Adams folds. FBIAgent raises to $4. mgritter
re-raises to $6. poopstain420 folds. Sup_Dawg
folds. PatOnAJack folds. FBIAgent re-raises to $8.
mgritter calls.

FBIAgent takes 1 card. mgritter takes 1 card.

mgritter: 3h 4c 7d 8s 6d
FBIAgent: -- -- -- -- --

Second Round:

FBIAgent bets $2. mgritter raises to $4. FBIAgent
re-raises to $6. mgritter calls.

FBIAgent stands pat. mgritter stands pat.

mgritter: 3h 4c 7d 8s 6d
FBIAgent: -- -- -- -- --

Third Round:

FBIAgent checks. mgritter checks.

FBIAgent stands pat. mgritter stands pat.

mgritter: 3h 4c 7d 8s 6d
FBIAgent: -- -- -- -- --

Final Round:

FBIAgent bets $4. mgritter calls.



Showdown:

FBIAgent shows 7h 5d 4d 3c 2s.
FBIAgent has 7 5 4 3 2.
mgritter mucks cards.
(mgritter has 8s 7d 6d 4c 3h.)


Hand #8513913-7094 Summary:

$1.75 is raked from a pot of $39.
FBIAgent wins $37.25 with 7 5 4 3 2.
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[somapopper]

I see in FBI's play a mistake I think I often make in td, at least against overly aggressive players. I refuse to believe they made a decent 8 drawing 2, and am afraid they're trying to get me to brake a smooth 87 while holding a rough 87 themselves. This will often lead to me spewing chips in a highly embarassing fashion. However, if FBI has a fairly unbreakable 87 like 87643 then I think calling down once mgritter stands pat may be OK, I'm not sure. There are so many bets in the pot, I'd hate to break looking for an unlikely 2 then fold when I miss. I guess I'd rather draw to my 8 in most cases, but I'm probably going to hate how this hand goes no matter what happens.

I think mgritter's cap with an 8654 is weak here unless he knows that FBI will stand on a 9.

[dibbs]

WHAT THE HELL WAS SEAT 5 DOING? I mean, I've been able to reduce damage with sevens before but I really can't see how this is the spot, did he view you as an ultra rock or something?

As for the cap, I probably leave it at three bets, unless I know the guy will get really aggressive with a 9 or rough rough 8 here figuring any decent pat hand is a favorite against a 1 card draw, which I have seen a bunch of times at 1/2$. I don't know how he plays though.

When checked to I'll usually bet the turn and river unless I get that unexplainable bad feeling that there's something big and nasty in the water. I think I'd bet both spots here though, as I usually translate an average player that smooth calls with a 1 card draw as someone who has something really rough and straighty, he hit and took the initiative on the second round when he thought you were still drawing then realized he might be up against a real hand. Assumptions suck, however.

EDIT: I assume and hope he had to have 3467x preflop, but he seems kind of wierd passive so who knows.

[dibbs]

I assume he wanted to checkraise on his check there? Seems like a bad spot for it though.

[Luv2DriveTT]

[ QUOTE ]
By the way, who's your other friend, Merc? Someone we know?

[/ QUOTE ]

MercTec aka Tank. A regular hold'em player, he was also my roomie when we went to the 2+2 Vegas get together. He plays live TD with me occasionally.

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[Luv2DriveTT]

[ QUOTE ]
I think mgritter's cap with an 8654 is weak here unless he knows that FBI will stand on a 9.

[/ QUOTE ]

He stood on a 9 on 2 streets against me.

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