Why does one get soo many 3rds.

[nate_king1]

Why are the reasons people get too many thirds and not enough 1st or 2nds.

[pergesu]

You don't play well enough on the bubble and ITM

[nate_king1]

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You don't play well enough on the bubble and ITM

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Thanks for such a well thought out response. Go away....People who like rappers are homos.

[splashpot]

Stupid questions will get stupid answers.

[Karak567]

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Stupid questions will get stupid answers.

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[nate_king1]

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Thanks guys, I just thought this forums is to help, educate, and inform others of poker. I guess I'm wrong.

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Thanks guys, I just thought this forums is to help, educate, and inform others of poker. I guess I'm wrong.

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First of all, your statement isn't even true. People don't get more thirds than first and seconds. If it happens that your results end up this way, the only explination is exactly as pergesu said. Your ITM play sucks. There is no other explination. Your question was vague so the answer was vague.

[pergesu]

What do you want us to tell you? You asked how a person wouldn't get the results they want. This is because they're not playing in a way that will produce those results.

You might be playing too aggressively. You might be playing too passively. You might be too tight with your calls, or you might be too loose.

There's no diagnosis for "too many seconds and thirds." The only way is to actually analyze your play. Post some hands, tell us how you're playing...but don't ask questions that can't be answered satisfactorily to you.

[mlagoo]

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You don't play well enough on the bubble and ITM

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Thanks for such a well thought out response. Go away....People who like rappers are homos.

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How could you possibly want a more detailed answer to such a vague question.

And then you went on to insult one of the posters in this forum who consistently gives advice and who is one of the more successful low limit posters on here.

Whatever, go to hell.

[nate_king1]

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Thanks guys, I just thought this forums is to help, educate, and inform others of poker. I guess I'm wrong.

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First of all, your statement isn't even true. People don't get more thirds than first and seconds. If it happens that your results end up this way, the only explination is exactly as pergesu said. Your ITM play sucks. There is no other explination. Your question was vague so the answer was vague.

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Okay does one generally want to take a coinflip ITM?( Where he can eliminate a player.) Or do you want to be in the lead, eg 70/30,60/40?

[durron597]

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Why are the reasons people get too many thirds and not enough 1st or 2nds.

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I've been getting a lot of 3rds recently because I've been converting totally card dead shortstacked SnGs into thirds because the big stacks play bad.

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Edit: Tho, yesterday I converted one of those into a first because the big stack played REALLY bad...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (3 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

BB (t9655)
Hero (t1120)
SB (t2725)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1120</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls t920.

Flop: (t2340) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t2340) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t2340) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t2340

A bunch of hands later....

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (2 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

BB (t6270)
Hero (t7230)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t7180</font>, BB calls t5420 (All-In).

Flop: (t12650) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t12650) J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t12650) A/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t12650

[nate_king1]

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You don't play well enough on the bubble and ITM

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Thanks for such a well thought out response. Go away....People who like rappers are homos.

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How could you possibly want a more detailed answer to such a vague question.

And then you went on to insult one of the posters in this forum who consistently gives advice and who is one of the more successful low limit posters on here.

Whatever, go to hell.

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Okay first of all, [censored] YOU. Second you go to hell. Now calm down and relax.

[splashpot]

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Okay does one generally want to take a coinflip ITM?( Where he can eliminate a player.) Or do you want to be in the lead, eg 70/30,60/40?

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Ok, you seem sincere in your question so I'll give you some advice. Be more specific. This question is still too vague. Post an actual hand that you had to play and be sure to include stack/blind sizes, your cards, and your position. This is the best way to learn on this forum.

[nate_king1]

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You don't play well enough on the bubble and ITM

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Thanks for such a well thought out response. Go away....People who like rappers are homos.

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How could you possibly want a more detailed answer to such a vague question.

And then you went on to insult one of the posters in this forum who consistently gives advice and who is one of the more successful low limit posters on here.

Whatever, go to hell.

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Okay first of all, [censored] YOU. Second you go to hell. Now calm down and relax.

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LOL I love 2+2, and poker.

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nm.

good luck to you.

[Nepa]

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Why are the reasons people get too many thirds and not enough 1st or 2nds.

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Vague question but I'm willing to bet that you are playing WEAK TIGHT when you get into the money. Grow a set of balls and get superaggressive. You might still get alot of 3rd but I bet you'll win alot more.

[Manque]

I don't get what he didn't like about your origional answer. It was perfectly valid.

Sorry Can't Spell

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I don't get what he didn't like about your origional answer. It was perfectly valid.

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I think it has something to do with either rappers or homosexuals. /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[inyaface]

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Okay does one generally want to take a coinflip ITM?( Where he can eliminate a player.) Or do you want to be in the lead, eg 70/30,60/40?

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Does one not comprehend the meaning of vauge....post a hand give a specific example and stop telling respected posters to Eff off or eff themselevs because you asked a stupid question and procceded to follow it up with another stupid question...my first advice would be to read the page in HOH where they talk about things you need to take into account in a given hand or how about tell us how you would come into this 50/50 situation...stack sizes maybe...if your pooshing or calling the raise, GIVE US SOMETHING...my second piece of advice is walk into oncomming traffic....I'm sorry that was mean

[Manque]

I've heard homosexual rappers do tend to get a lot of thirds.

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Okay does one generally want to take a coinflip ITM?( Where he can eliminate a player.) Or do you want to be in the lead, eg 70/30,60/40?

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[KenProspero]

Nate, I'll take a stab at answering this seriously --

Why do we get thirds (in no particular order):

Sometimes you just finish third. You play your cards, no great opportunities to improve your stack present themselves, and you bust out in third. Happens to everyone.

You have a short stack in 4th or 5th, with no realistic shot at winning, but you manage to outlast people with bigger stacks than you because they misplay -- this is a good thing.

There are 4 people left, you don't have a great stack, but you don't take advantage of opportunities to improve your position because you're determined not to finish 4th. This is bad play.

You have a big stack, and should win or finish second most of the time, but you play so conservatively and don't take advantage of opportunities and a lot of time the other players catch up to you, and you finish third. This is terrible play.

So, why do you get too many thirds -- could be any or all of these.

you might not even be looking at that the right way.

some of the best players on the forums, and me.... end up with 3rds and 1sts. because I'd rather gamble on 1st, then walk into 2nd.

[Seth Money]

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What do you want us to tell you? You asked how a person wouldn't get the results they want. This is because they're not playing in a way that will produce those results.

You might be playing too aggressively. You might be playing too passively. You might be too tight with your calls, or you might be too loose.

There's no diagnosis for "too many seconds and thirds." The only way is to actually analyze your play. Post some hands, tell us how you're playing...but don't ask questions that can't be answered satisfactorily to you.

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I think that this is the best response of them all so far. Each situation is different and the reason your getting a lot of thirds and why others might be are completely different.

I play goober aggressive late and well over the last 650 tourneys my third place has been higher then my first and second place even with a 18% ROI. That being said I have been working on slowing my roll a little bit when it gets late, been a little less aggressive and I have seen a drastic increase over the short term.

So.......

To tight late may equal thirds.
To aggressive late may equal thirds.

Post some hands, talk about them, learn from them, and don't be hating.

Kanye

[KenProspero]

Yes, you're right.

There are lots of possibilities as to why one's style of play will give you a disproportionate number of thirds. Some of it is good play, some of it is bad play. My main point, here is that a lot of us have said that this question can't be answered in a vacuum, and I was trying to give a few examples of why.

[Fletch46]

Do you have any idea how lucky we are to have found this forum? Treat these guys with respect even if you don't agree with what they tell you. They don't get anything out of helping us so you should show some appreciation.

[lorinda]

You can't get too many 3rds.

I'd take 100% 3rds.

Lori

that'd be one sexy roi.

Im very tempted to ask the exact same question even though I know its vague.

Im getting murdered ITM by 10+1 players. I know it's a really small sample size (170), but I feel like im playing badly ITM.

23% 3rds
15% 2nds
11% 1st

Theres seem to be a million posts on bubble play and barely any on ITM play. Even then, hand post help with specific and usually small leaks. Im pretty sure I have a big leak in style (weak-passive i think).

Maybe a hand selection guideline of some sort. I know Andartha has one for "robotic" play, is that a good start? Anyone know where else I should look?

Thxs in advance, Brian

[raptor517]

adanthar will be mad u butchered his name. as for yer results.. i have way more thirds than 1sts or 2nds in the 22s.. its because of the tightass play up to that point, and u generally get itm with less than avg chips. holla

yeah, with robotic/tightass play up to that point, you're only gonna get in with more than low stack if you happen to have crushed a couple small stacks late or had huge lead early... in any case you've got work to do ITM... usually a double-up against big stack or a bunch of aggressive blind stealing is what its going to take.

[skoal2k4]

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Why are the reasons people get too many thirds and not enough 1st or 2nds.

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not aggressive enough near/at the bubble

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Andartha

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WTF? this had me cracking up for some reason

[raptor517]

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Why are the reasons people get too many thirds and not enough 1st or 2nds.

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not aggressive enough near/at the bubble

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this doesnt always hold true. a lot of times people carry out that agression over to 3 handed play and get eaten alive. you dont haven ear as much fold equity at that point. holla

Hm... so raptor, what do you (not) push ITM when the blinds are 200/400 and you have $2000 and are OTB, and in the SB? The blinds are often that high. When the blinds are high enough you can push almost anything right, even when they call with J8s(?)

And it happens quite often at the $22s and $33s that people are WAY too tight ITM, and fold their stacks away.

[Ixnert]

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23% 3rds
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Dude, that's 49%. Forty-nine freaking percent. You're doing fine. If the players at the 11s will let you sneak into the money that often (I would tend to assume that's how this distribution happened), take them up on it. It's usually better to play aggressively for first than to sneak into third, but there's a point at which you're better off just taking what the table's giving you.

You've reached that point.

ok...thought this was getting interesting...bump

[Guthrie]

In my very limited experience, of the finishes ITM, I'm 28% 1st, 38% 2nd, and 34% third. I have no idea if that's normal or not.

When I first started playing, I read one of the strategy posts on this forum, and it said "gamble for first, settle for third, and don't worry about second" so that's what I did.

[beeyjay]

i like rappers and i get laid more than you...by chics

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You don't play well enough on the bubble and ITM

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Thanks for such a well thought out response. Go away....People who like rappers are homos.

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How could you possibly want a more detailed answer to such a vague question.

And then you went on to insult one of the posters in this forum who consistently gives advice and who is one of the more successful low limit posters on here.

Whatever, go to hell.

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Okay first of all, [censored] YOU. Second you go to hell. Now calm down and relax.

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LOL I love 2+2, and poker.

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Congratualations, you're the first one.

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You can't get too many 3rds.

I'd take 100% 3rds.

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