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hemstock
10-02-2005, 04:16 PM
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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO folds, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (14 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> JOY /images/graemlins/mad.gif
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls.

River: (18 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 3-bets</font>, Hero?

What is my plan here? How often will all my opponents play the board. Is this a super easy fold?
jaxUp
10-02-2005, 04:21 PM
sadly, this is an easy fold. Tough one.
milesdyson
10-02-2005, 04:22 PM
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super easy fold

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10-02-2005, 06:38 PM
You were behind on the turn, when SB hit his straight, but you had plenty of outs to the full house.

On the river, I can't possibly see calling 3 bets, with a likely cap after that, in the hope that none of them have the 8. If UTG and BB were both maniacs, then it would make sense, but they're not playing like maniacs, so you've lost this one.
Fantam
10-02-2005, 07:09 PM
Somehow, I feel that you are toast on the river.
Nick C
10-02-2005, 08:33 PM
If everyone stays in, and I'm thinking there's a good chance they will, then you're only getting a little over 2:1 on a call, and that's assuming the river doesn't get capped (which it might).

Also, a hand with an 8 in it kind of seems like something UTG+2 might have been hanging around with.

It is annoying, though, knowing that one or more of your opponents (and possibly all three) are throwing bets and raises in for fun, thinking it's going to be a 4-way chop.
TomBrooks
10-02-2005, 09:06 PM
The best you can do is split this pot and it will cost you three or four bets to try for a piece. Your getting 9:1 / 4 ways so your only getting 2.5:1. (less than 2:1 if it gets capped) Since someone almost surely has an eight or 8-9 here, fold.
MikeSpicoli
10-02-2005, 09:17 PM
I'm folding here.

You're not good enough often here to cold call 3 with the possibility of it being capped and the best that you can hope for is a 4 way split.
Nick C
10-02-2005, 09:40 PM
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If everyone stays in, and I'm thinking there's a good chance they will, then you're only getting a little over 2:1 on a call, and that's assuming the river doesn't get capped (which it might).

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Ugh. I did the math wrong. If no one folds, we're actually getting less than 2:1, since none of the bets that went in on the river (except for ours) will come to us. So if we stay in, we're putting in 3-4 BBs on the river for whatever share is ours of the 18 BB pot that existed after the turn. And that share will only be 4.5 BBs, if the pot gets chopped four ways.