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***** Hand History for Game 2811283439 *****
$50 PL Omaha - Sunday, October 02, 05:15:38 EDT 2005
Table Table 63823 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: AndrewJ11 ( $50.85 )
Seat 2: memberley ( $55.80 )
Seat 3: kcooke2442 ( $240.27 )
Seat 4: HERO ( $173.71 )
Seat 5: KEASU85 ( $42.50 )
Seat 6: warrior45 ( $53.35 )
AndrewJ11 posts small blind [$0.25].
memberley posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Jh Ah Td 9s ]
kcooke2442 calls [$0.50].
HERO calls [$0.50].
KEASU85 folds.
warrior45 calls [$0.50].
AndrewJ11 calls [$0.25].
memberley checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4h, 9h, 8s ]
>You have options at Table 55462 (6 max) Table!.
AndrewJ11 checks.
memberley checks.
kcooke2442 bets [$2.40].
HERO raises [$9.60].
warrior45 folds.
AndrewJ11 folds.
memberley folds.
kcooke2442 calls [$7.20].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kc ]
kcooke2442 checks.
HERO checks.
** Dealing River ** [ Ts ]
kcooke2442 checks.
HERO checks.
kcooke2442 shows [ 3d, 8h, Kh, 3s ] two pairs, kings and eights.
HERO doesn't show [ Jh, Ah, Td, 9s ] two pairs, tens and nines.
kcooke2442 wins $20.65 from the main pot with two pairs, kings and eights.

How is the flop pot raise? My plan was to push if I was 3-bet. What about the check on the turn for a free card? If only that heart fell, I probably would have been paid off pretty well.

Edit: Actually, I shouldn't have shown results. I know that isn't really appreciated around here and it definately is the not best way to present a hand and try to learn from it. Here is another hand while we are on the subject...

Villain here is aggressive but not really a donk:

$50 PL Omaha - Sunday, October 02, 05:24:10 EDT 2005
Table Table 63823 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: AndrewJ11 ( $66.35 )
Seat 2: memberley ( $74.80 )
Seat 3: kcooke2442 ( $242.32 )
Seat 4: HERO ( $151.46 )
Seat 5: KEASU85 ( $39.80 )
Seat 6: warrior45 ( $50.25 )
HERO posts small blind [$0.25].
KEASU85 posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 2d Ad As 8s ]
warrior45 raises [$1].
AndrewJ11 folds.
memberley calls [$1].
kcooke2442 calls [$1].
HERO raises [$5.25].
>You have options at Table 55462 (6 max) Table!.
KEASU85 folds.
warrior45 calls [$4.50].
memberley folds.
kcooke2442 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qd, Kd, 7c ]
HERO checks.
warrior45 bets [$12.85].
HERO raises [$51.40].

[ipp147]

Hi Smitty,

On the first hand. Preflop I like a raise here to build the pot. You have to make sure you aren't only raising AAxx.

On the flop you have loads of equity against most ranges of hands. With the number of people to act behind you though I will sometimes call to keep it multiway on the turn. The raise is also fine and sometimes it will get 3 bet behind you and you can get it all in.

The second hand. If you are going to play it you have to get it all-in on the flop. So its a raise or fold situation and pretty opponent specific. You are in bad shape against a set and even money againts top two. It is also possible he is on some sort of straight and flush draw combo. At the 50 level I don't think you will often be wrong getting it in here.

Thanks for the reply. I know I need to increase my raising range preflop; I just find it difficult to do so when everyone and their mother limps into every pot (I guess that gives me more reason to raise). In the second hand, it turned out villain had top two, so I presume I was about even money (11 outs + counterfeit 2 pair draw) but he boated on the turn /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[joewatch]

First hand I think you played poorly by not following up your raise with a turn bet. It looks to me like you were borrowing a texas hold'em move called "raising for a free card", but this move should not be used in PLO. I think you are better off potting it and folding to a raise (indicating top set).

The second hand, I agree with the previous poster, you should not be check-raising unless you are able to get in most of your money (say 75%). That's pretty tough to do when you already have 3x the buy-in.

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First hand I think you played poorly by not following up your raise with a turn bet. It looks to me like you were borrowing a texas hold'em move called "raising for a free card", but this move should not be used in PLO. I think you are better off potting it and folding to a raise (indicating top set).

The second hand, I agree with the previous poster, you should not be check-raising unless you are able to get in most of your money (say 75%). That's pretty tough to do when you already have 3x the buy-in.

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I'm quite positive villain in the first hand would have called pot on the turn also, leaving me in a predicament if I missed on the river (i.e. I know I would have been tempted to bluff that large a pot if checked to). But your right because betting the turn increases the pot size and I may have gotten all the money in if a heart hit.

In the second hand, I did in fact put the villain all-in with the C/R since the effective stacks were $50. Unfortunately, my 3x max buy-in didn't last long when I made a move with KK64 double suited. Villain from hand two had been raising 50% of their hands so I repotted preflop and got TWO cold callers. I wanted to take it down after tehe flop but I only bet $15 into a $28 pot on board AQ7(I know, very risky). Original raiser folded but I was called by another villain holding 9874 with a flush draw. Unfortunately, they hit their flush on the turn and wouldn't let go to a $30 bet so I just checked the river. Overall, for this plan to work, I should have played the hand more aggressively.

[joewatch]

On the first hand, you're right that you would have to make a decision on the river if you get called on the turn (which I don't think you will), but that decision is easy - put the rest of your money in. At least that is what I would have done.

On the second hand, I think your play was fine.

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In the second hand, I did in fact put the villain all-in with the C/R since the effective stacks were $50.

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Sorry, I didn't read the hand-history very carefully.

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