Am I Retarded?

[lehighguy]

6-max fairly lose table, $600NL
Hero has $600

Hero is in CO with AK
Hero raises to $24, SB re-raises to $64, BB (moron) calls, hero calls

Flop: A,5,2 rainbow.
check, check, Hero bets $165, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: nothing scary
Hero bets all-in $3xx, SB calls

SB shows AA

I'm in the middle of a vicous downswing (3.2k after that hand). I don't know if I've totally lost my ability to play or I'm just being paranoid here.

[flawless_victory]

fold before the flop. check the flop.

[Allinlife]

lay ak pf to unknown raising out of blinds

[captZEEbo1]

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Am I Retarded?

[/ QUOTE ]Yes.

and that downswing isn't all that big...though I'm sure frustrating.

[flawless_victory]

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6I'm in the middle of a vicous downswing (3.2k after that hand).

[/ QUOTE ]didnt even notice this...
cmon man... 5buys? vicous? no. that means nothing... half the sessions that im stuck that much i end up winner.

[lehighguy]

Does it matter that I'm playing on pacific poker?

If you have never played there the $600 is kinduv like $25NL party.

[lehighguy]

It's alot for me when my lifetime winrate is only 20k or so, 8k from a multi. It makes we wonder if I'm really beating this game.

[flawless_victory]

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Does it matter that I'm playing on pacific poker?

If you have never played there the $600 is kinduv like $25NL party.

[/ QUOTE ]not anymore...
you might want to edit this post.

[lehighguy]

What does not anymore mean. Give the statement some context.

[flawless_victory]

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What does not anymore mean. Give the statement some context.

[/ QUOTE ]when you find a soft game, you might not want to get on internet forum full of strong players and tell them all about it.. /images/graemlins/wink.gif /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[CamelZoo]

what was your thinking with turn push? (why not check?)

[lehighguy]

Everyone knows. Few take advantage of it because it sucks hard in every other possible way. You can also only play one table at a time.

Everyone knows, few don't bother to spend the time.

[flawless_victory]

do they have bigger games that run?

[lehighguy]

If he puts me in on the river, I'm going to call anyway. So what's with all the pussyfooting.

I don't think he's going to bluff back at me with just a pair. Not the way these guys play.

There were three possible holdings in my mind:
A stubborn [censored] with KK or QQ (they would do this).
AK
AQ
AJs outside chance (in 6-max people playback at LP raisers sometimes if they don't give them cred)

If they really plan on folding KK or QQ to another bet, then might as well not give them another chance to hit a set.

I would have folded preflop if the other donkey hadn't have come along. He would go to the river with Ax if I kept betting him. Plus, even if I was up against a PP he made the odds on calling better.

[lehighguy]

No. They only recently opened 600NL 3 months ago. It is also the best game, much softer then the lower limits even in terms of Avg Pot/BB.

There are usually only one or two good tables going at a time. They will get good for 30min-2hours. Then the dozen or so regulars like myself move in and by the end its a table of just us. Then things will die down for awhile until a few new fish move in and things go absolutely crazy for awhile again. Such is the ebb and flow.

Things aren't as good as when they first opened the 600NL tables up. When it first happened you could find a $300 avg pot anytime you logged on. Those days are gone. But you still find tables like that sometimes.

When I was playing just now it was $230 avg pot with none of the usual regulars. Villian in this hand was new blood.

[jman220]

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When it first happened you could find a $300 avg pot anytime you logged on.

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Wow, I wish I was bankrolled for this limit. How are the $200 nl games over there?

[lehighguy]

Before the $600NL opened up they were rediculous. $100-140 avg pot all the time.

You could raise to $14 preflop and get 5 callers full ring. It was like playing at a casino.

When $600NL opened up it died of though. The games are primarily driven by a few big fish. The big fish want to play the biggest game.

Something similair can be seen with party. The 2000NL game is better in terms of Avg Pot/BB then some of the smaller games.

[edge]

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fold before the flop.

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Really? I thought you played more LAG than most, and I would never fold preflop.

[flawless_victory]

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fold before the flop.

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Really? I thought you played more LAG than most, and I would never fold preflop.

[/ QUOTE ]i do. im not giving some 3/6 nit action here... he made a small reraise out of the blind... AA/KK almost every tme. AKo sucks.

[sawseech]

once he chkcalls the flop your thought process should be:

SB re-raises to $64, <strike>BB (moron) calls</strike>
OK HRM THE SB RERAISED PF AND CHKCALLED

[lehighguy]

I put him on AA-TT, AK, AQ.
88 or 99 were outside possibilities.
There was a chance he had some totally retarded stuff like Ax or a low PP. If you played pacific poker you'ld know.

[flawless_victory]

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There was a chance he had some totally retarded stuff like Ax or a low PP.

[/ QUOTE ]maybe hes been sweating me?

[dibbs]

If you're lucky enough to find a secret garden, please don't tell anyone about it.

[lehighguy]

I found it on this forum, I see posts all the time. Still no one goes there.

[ahnuld]

Do they still limit you to one table at a time? Thats the reason I stopped playing there, that and the crappy graphics.

[PugX]

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Do they still limit you to one table at a time? Thats the reason I stopped playing there, that and the crappy graphics.

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Yes, only one table.

Yes crappy graphics.

I and a friend played a tornament there yesterday, just for fun. I was disconnected twice. Almost never happens at other sites. I was also forced to pay big blind two times in a row, I dont know if that happens at other sites, I'm not a tornament player.

//Pug

[lehighguy]

It's a really shitty site. Hence less pros. Hence softer games.

If you don't have a very good connection then you'll get disconnected alot. Mine is faster then DSL and very reliable to its ok.

[punter11235]

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Am I Retarded?

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Its too early to judge this but your chances for positive answer surely went up after this post. You played every street wrong + you give some retarted comments in the meantime.
What's the point of big bet on the flop ? What's the point of turn allin.? Do you think Pacific guys are so stupid to pull "bluff call" against you here ? I wouldnt be an optimist...

Best wishes

[Brock Landers]

Why would a poker site only allow you to play one table? That has got to be one of the more stupid policies I have seen in online poker.

[FoxwoodsFiend]

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If he puts me in on the river, I'm going to call anyway.

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I don't think he's going to bluff back at me with just a pair. Not the way these guys play.


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So you don't think he's going to bluff the river with just a pair, but you're going to call any all-in so you might as well bet it? If he's not going to bluff one pair, why are you deadset on calling? Seems like this is as easy a laydown as TPTK can be-you were reraised preflop, had a guy check-call you, AND YOU KNOW HE'S NOT BLUFFING.

[lehighguy]

These guys would bet AK or AQ all-in thinking they were ahead. He's not bluffing, he believes he's value betting.

[lehighguy]

By allowing only one table they keep most pros from spending the time.

Pacific is linked from an online gambling website. THey don't want people losing all thier money at poker and have none left for craps. So they limit the number of tables to make the games softer and hope they get bored reasonably quickly.